Monday, December 18, 2006

CCC Pay Raise Outrage: 75%!

Drunk with power in their first term of controlling the City-County Council in the history of Uni-Gov, council Democrats are proposing a whopping 75% increase in the pay of the part-time city-county councilors, boosting their base pay from $11,400 to $19,950 under Proposal 644, which is being sponsored by Rozelle Boyd (D). That isn't the full amount of their pay, however. They are also paid $112 per council meeting and $62 per committee meeting, allowing a council member to pick up close to another $5,000 for attending meetings they are supposed to attend anyway as a council member.

We need to elect some new councilor in next year's election folks. What really bothers me about the make-up of our current city-county council is how many of them are already on a public payroll--close to a quarter of them, including several law enforcement officers and firefighters. Frankly, I believe we need a law which bars public employees from holding elective office. Our City-County Council President, Monroe Gray, is a full-time firefighter. The wife of the Majority Leader, Lonnell Conley, is a hearing officer for the Department of Metropolitan Development. Mary Moriarty Adams, who chairs the Public Safety Committee, is a state employee. Boyd, the sponsor of the pay raise, was a full-time public educator before he recently retired and is no doubt drawing a publicly-paid pension. The inherent conflict of interest in having people on the public payroll deciding how much to tax and spend us screams for change. This latest pay raise proposal is a product of having too many people on the council who've spent their entire careers living off the public.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

They ought to tax the pea shake houses (illegal gambling frequented by council pres & ghost fire employee Monroe Gray) to pay for it, too!

Anonymous said...

Before the other side says anything:

Lincoln Plowman - MCSD deputy

Issac Randolph - IFD firefighter

Anonymous said...

Calling Monroe Gray a firefighter uses the term very loosely. While he draws a paycheck from IFD, just what he does there is questionable.

Anonymous said...

Isn't the issue the lack of citizens willing to do such a job for little or nothing? The notion of "citiznes legislators" has become almost quaint.

Its beyond pathetic that this paltry amount of money is enticing to some who wish to perform service for the public good.

Anonymous said...

For some of these folks, it's hte most money they've ever made. Seriously.

The original idea for this came from King Ro Conley. He then took his name off the proposal, allegedly, and put Rozelle's on it, because the rumor is, Rozelle isn't going to run again.

Rozelle is retired from IU--another public paycheck.

I have nothing against civil servants. Good ones are worth their weight ing old.

But this preponderance of public employees on the council is disgusting.

Anon is rigiht: Mr. President's real "job" gets him an unmarked IFD car, too. Good gig.

Wilson46201 said...

It should be mentioned again that this proposal would not take effect until after the council elections this year. The councilors would not necessarily be voting themselves a pay raise.

btw, it's Dr. Rozelle Boyd, a retired Dean and professor from IU-Bloomington.

Anonymous said...

The councilors would not necessarily be voting themselves a pay raise.

True. However many are just arrogant enough [*cough* Ron Gibson *cough*]to believe they will still be on the CCC on January 1, 2008. Heh.

We'll see about that.

Anonymous said...

Uh, Wilson, the council elections are NEXT year. You're a committeeman. You should know that.

The proposal, as drafted, takes effect 1-1-07. Mr. Clifford said so--his budget calculated the increase but forgot to specifically call out the council members, which must be done by ordinance/proposal. It could be amended. It should be killed.

This has a ripple effect. The IPS Board, and perhaps some others, tie their salaries by policy, to the CCC salaries.

I am full well aware Rozelle is a doctor. He is a friend and I have earned the right to call him by his first name.

Good enough friends for me to tell him he was a lousy council president, precisely because he's such a nice guy. Wordy, but a nice guy.

He's usually right on issues. He is the councillor who called down the ridiculous Driftwood Hills/Whole Foods MDC hearing officer decision. You know, the one where Mrs. Conley ignored statute, invented evidence and had her husband carry the water for her in the council caucus?

And BTW, Wilson, are you the chief apologist for all things Democratic? Even if they're stupid? This insane proposal just dragged down the entire party for the next election cycle. The mayor is dragged into it, too, and he has nothing to do with council salaries.

As a Democrat, I'm embarrassed by the lack of leadership demonstrated on that council. The best potential leaders are females, and, because they're not black, cannot be president. By some arcane reasoning.

The same reasoning that led to this council proposal ever seeing the light of day. Which it shouldn't have.

Democrats must maintain the council majority in 2007. This makes it harder. It's that simple.

Anonymous said...

CORRECTIONS:

1. Adams is not a state employee. She works for the nonprofit, National MS Society.

2. This proposal does not take effect until 1-1-2008 which is after next year's council elections so they would not be approving themselves a raise. It would be for whoever is elected next year. Someone is confusing the county elected officials raises that is proposed to be effective 1-1-07 with the newly introduced council raise proposal...two different proposals.

3. Compare the proposed council raise to other comparable cities such as Columbus OH. Then you will see that even with this "raise" Indianapolis is still ridiculously low.

4. Councilors working in the public sector are getting paid for the service/job they do so it's not fair to attack them on that issue. BUT it does create too much of a conflict of interest (although not necessarily as under law) for those in public safety positions...think nutty Sherron Franklin, and Conley's wife who does a terrible job by the way...think Haverstick/Driftwood.

Vote the hard working councilors in and ditch the lazy ones. Simple!

Anonymous said...

Compare the proposed council raise to other comparable cities such as Columbus OH.

That depends upon whether the Councillors are considered "full time" or "citizen legislators". For the most part in Indiana the legislators whether its a local board, city council, or the State House - are all "citizen legislators". As Gary wrote on this site before states such as Illinois have full time legislators, and some cities - I'm 97.65% sure Chicago is one - have full time career Aldermen.
All of Indianapolis' Councillors are either retired or have full time jobs, well one, Ginny Cain, last I read is a S.A.H.M. - though any parent will tell you that is a full time job in itself.

I just looked at 612 and 644 again for doublepluscertain - 612 (county officials) would have taken effect 1/1/07. So Greg Bowes would have voted on his own pay raise. 644 affects the councillors and it indeed does have an effective date of 1/1/08.

Advance Indiana said...

From Adams' bio on the city-county council website: "She works for the Indiana Housing Finance Authority and presently serves as the chair for the Public Safety and Criminal Justice Committee and a member of the Public Works and Economic Development Committees." If she's no longer a state employee, the bio she furnished the city is out-of-date.

Anonymous said...

because they're not black, cannot be president. By some arcane reasoning.

I'm not thoroughly convinced that Monroe Gray is black.

Democrats must maintain the council majority in 2007.

3 Presidents in 3 years and Monroe Gray is showing questionable leadership ability? Not to mention the air of corruption that surrounds him. No. The 'Rats had their experiment. They have no business being in the majority on the CCC. It's time to give it back to the GOP and undo the damage the Democrat led CCC has unleashed upon the city.

Anonymous said...

Bowes is smart enough to know when to recuse himself unlike some others. He will not be on the council when this comes before them again.

Sir Hailstone---point well taken regarding part vs full time but Columbus OH is part-time. However, citizen legislators should be paid for the work they do

Anonymous said...

I'm all for paying these folks well, or fairly. But this is bad timing for Democrats, who are going to have to fight like hell to hold onto the council next year. Stupid politics. They're returning to their 60s-70s and early 80s roots: circular firing squads.

And as for the effective date: I read the proposal online Sunday. It was 1-1-07. Mr. Clifford stated as much yesterday. If it's been amended, so be it.

But the original idea was to start in 07. If they think that moving the date alone will mollify the public, it shows how out of touch they are.

Also, comparing this to anything going on with the police contract is a little silly.

The police union rejected the city's last contract offer. By only a dozen votes or so, but that's their choice. They expected the city to put that same offer back on the table?

Huh? When have you ever been involved in negotiaitons that produced a negative vote, then saw the rejecting party "assume" that management's rejected offer is still on the table?

Damned silly logic.

I'm glad they're on the streets wearing blue, or black, or whatever the hell color their new uniforms will be. And not negotiating for anything that involves me.

Anonymous said...

However, citizen legislators should be paid for the work they do

I agree there should be something for them, but not more for a "part time" gig than what some people make working full time. 20K per year works out to about $9.60 per hour FT 40hrs/week. Some people work full time and don't make that much.

Holy crap I almost sound like a 'Rat!! But I digress

Anyway, I still hold the viewpoint that being on the CCC should be more about service to your community than pocketing a fat paycheck. And there is time away from the family when attending meetings, answering emails, and I'm sure some councillors end up taking phone calls at home or their business from constituents. However one should NOT construe being on the CCC as the next "get rich quick" plan. You can say "But it's only a little more than $8K per councillor for 29 councillors" .. That works out to an increase of just shy of $250K per year. It's the principle of the thing - especially when the Mayor has essentially told the LEO's to go f**k off.

Also, I doubt there is any shortage of folks wanting to be elected to the CCC. Its a matter of selecting the brightest minds and those with the RIGHT ideas.

I'm Sir Hailstone, and I approve this message.

indyernie said...

"The police union rejected the city's last contract offer. By only a dozen votes or so, but that's their choice. They expected the city to put that same offer back on the table?"

And,

"I'm glad they're on the streets wearing blue, or black, or whatever the hell color their new uniforms will be. And not negotiating for anything that involves me."

What a PUTZ!

IPD LEO's All of Indianapolis is behind you...except this jerk.

Anonymous said...

What's the matter, Ernie, can't stand logic?

Anonymous said...

Mary Moriarty Adams does not indeed work for the state anymore, even though her bio is now incorrect. Governor Daniels, in a move of purely politcal nature, saw to it that she lost her job with the state (that she did very well). I have known Mary my whole life and helped her campaign door-to-door, and she is really one of the most dedicated and in-touch public servants you will ever see, in Indianapolis or anywhere else, Democrat or Republican. (I have to remain anonymous, unfortunately, although I wish I did not because I would love to spread the word about Mary and the job she does).