Saturday, January 19, 2008

What Were These Men Doing On The Streets?

Police continue holding three men for questioning as persons of interest in Monday night's quadruple murder at a Hovey Street house. The Star's Tim Evans fills us in today on the three men's long criminal histories. Evans writes:

The men Indianapolis police are questioning about the Hovey Street killings have extensive police records, including crimes involving weapons, drugs and violence.

Police declined Friday to discuss developments in the investigation or provide any information about the men. But a check of records from Marion County law enforcement and courts, Indianapolis Public Schools and the Indiana Department of Correction reveals Tommy Warren, 24, Zarumin Coleman, 21, and Jasper Frazier, 36, have long histories of trouble with the law.

Warren and Coleman were taken into custody midweek on unrelated charges, and Frazier turned himself in to authorities in Ohio.

Police have confirmed the three were being questioned in the Monday slayings of Gina Hunt, 24; her son Jordan Hunt, 23 months; Andrea Yarrell, 24; and her daughter, Charlii Yarrell, 4 months.

Evans provides detailed summaries of the men's criminal records, including the following:

Tommy Warren

Warren has been named in more than two dozen police reports since 2001 and was taken into custody multiple times," Evans writes. "In November, a woman reported Warren pulled a semi-automatic handgun on her in the 2000 block of North LaSalle Street and took $290." "The police report indicates officers could not locate him."

Zarumin Coleman, Jr.

Coleman was sent to the Department of Correction on Nov. 12, 2002, on
Marion County convictions for possession of cocaine or narcotic drugs, dangerous possession of a handgun, and possession of a handgun without a license.

He was sent back to DOC on March 29, 2006, after being convicted of attempted robbery in Marion County. He was released Sept. 29, 2006.

Police reports show Coleman was 16 when he and another teen threatened two people at a Rally's restaurant on West 16th Street in June 2002.

Coleman and the other youth fled but were apprehended a short time later; the victims identified Coleman as the one who had pointed a gun at them, police said. In February 2005, he was arrested on charges of robbery, criminal confinement and intimidation in a dispute after he bought a used car. The report said Coleman and another man attempted to make the seller give back the money and took him to a bank to get the money.

Once inside the bank, the victim sought help and police arrived.

In January 2006, he was charged with possession of marijuana or hash, driving with a suspended license and failure to have proper headlamps after a traffic stop. The police report said Coleman was on probation at the time for auto theft.

A month later, he was charged with possession of marijuana and driving
while suspended after another traffic stop on the Near Northside.

Jasper Frazier

Department of Correction records show he was sentenced May 10, 2002, for carrying a handgun without a license and released Sept. 30, 2003. He was sentenced to DOC again Nov. 11, 2006, for residential entry and released July 10, 2007. Both offenses occurred in St. Joseph County.

In Marion County, police reports show Frazier was arrested on a DWI charge in March 2006. And Jan. 1, police were called to Methodist Hospital, where a Mooresville woman told police Frazier punched her in the face and threw her to the ground. The woman identified Frazier as her on-again off-again boyfriend and said they had been drinking when he became violent.

Should anyone be surprised by Monday night's shooting deaths when people like this who commit multiple felonies are able to return to the streets so soon after committing crimes? On another note, I was listening this morning to Steve Simpson's radio talk show on WIBC when a caller called in to complain that IMPD brass had ordered that police escorts be furnished to the funeral procession today for Gina Hunt and her two-year-old child, Jordan. The caller complained that police escorts in funerals are only used for fallen police officers and dignitaries; other families are required to pay the cost of escorts out of their own pockets as part of the funeral costs. The person complained that police were inappropriately being used to escort "drug dealers" around town. If anyone knows more about this, please share it.


Anonymous said...

I think the police escort is a class move and shows solidarity and sympathy from IMPD, with the people who live amidst the violence and ruin. None of these people will get a free stadium built for them. Their only view of IMPD is when they're being arrested.

To your question, these guys are on the streets because they either have not been convicted, or they already served their sentences.

I find it hard to believe that people with these records could shoot a baby in the face 7 times.

Look at those crimes - lot of threatening, but no actual violence.

Some of these "crimes" are pretty weak...carrying a handgun without a license isn't even a crime, if we look to our state constitution, which says it's legal to carry a weapon...doesn't say a license is needed. Gun laws originated to keep black people from getting guns.

Throughout all this the bigger question is how was IMPD able to get through and find these people. The code of no snitchin is alive and well, witness the black man last summer trying to save a kid from a dog who was then shot by the black owner of said dog. LOTS of people know who did the shooting but nobody came forward.

I think in this case the IMPD and prosecutor rounded up a ton of people, and threatened to sweep everybody in for questioning - including the pea shake clowns.

If IMPD and the Sheriff would wake up and enforce the law, instead of parking in the middle of Shadeland on Saturday afternoons ticketing people for seatbelt violations, the city would be a lot better off.

Anonymous said...

"Gun laws originated to keep black people from getting guns."

Well there's a completely unique and racist argument regarding the Second Amendment. You heard it here first.

Some of these crimes are "pretty weak?" Hardly. You may be gauranteed the right to carry a gun, but not without a permit, you're not. Get a law degree and come back with some common sense.

Can we get back to the crimes?

Nothing surprises me about this sorry recitation of arrest/conviction/imprisonment. It looks like we need tougher laws, and for that, we've got to be willing to build more prisons and staff them.

Anonymous said...

It should alarm every citizen of this county (and surrounding) to read of the releases. We all know why, in general: shortage of law enforcement (cops, prosecutors, court staff etc etc) manpower and jail space. Sheriffs judges and prosecutors (past & present) have long complained.

The questions is: What are WE going to do about it? This aspect of "it"?

Is it fair there is such a huge crime problem here and we have to pay to protect ourselves? No. Are there multiple angles of prevention to attack? Yes.

But as to the early release problem, this one angle: WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? It's an expensive proposition, made more so by years and years of not ponying up (forget who's to blame: it's everyone). Deal with the problem, not whose fault it is. How do we pay for what must be done? What else do we cut, what money do we use? If there is a person in Marion County who wants to pay more taxes for ANYTHING I haven't met him or her.

But someone needs a plan.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, and as to the "police escort"... I have to believe it's less an "honor guard" than a SECURITY measure under the circumstances.

Anonymous said...

I'm the furthest thing in the world from "social worker" but it's obvious that "more law enforcement resources" is only part of the answer.

How we as a society reverse a tidal wave of "rights and entitlements" thinking is a huge question. Perverted and taken to the extreme, the notion seems to lead to armed taking, and we have to be prepared to enforce consequences. How could we change the beginning of the equation that leads there, and begin to "ask not what your country can do for you" again?

How we as a society engage those who simply have nothing to lose is a huge question. These males (I could not call them "men") probably feel, and have, no real foundation for their lives. They have little formal education, yet they are clever enough to survive. How to engage that survival instinct ought to occupy some scholars and practitioners.

There is clearly a point at which people like them are too far gone. Shooting women and children, then threatening their survivors (as alluded to in this morning's Star)...goners. At that point, lock 'em up and protect the survivors. Break the cycle of "eye for an eye".

Anonymous said...

I dont know if the escort actually occurred or not. If it was in the name of security in regards to possible retaliation, its not the first time that has happened.

However, if it is some sort of 'symbolism over substance' act on the part of Frank Anderson, then its just yet another example of him trying to capitalize on this tragedy in a vain attempt to hold onto IMPD. He's already tried this several times via media, and each time his act gets more tired.. "referendum"? This from a guy who 'will follow the law' each time an ethically challenged issue about him surfaces (merger, $50K bribe, etc).

I sure hope HB1180 gets ratified this year.

Anonymous said...

1:15, I agree, this is a MASSIVE problem and root causes and prevention must be attacked. HUGE issue, that overwhelms those who try to dive into it.

But in dealing with here and now, and the specific question as to "Why were these men on the streets?" The answer is that it appears at least 2 of them, Warren and Coleman, were wanted on outstanding warrents, had lenghty criminal histories, and had violated probation and/or were wanted for new crimes. In other counties, a violation of probation often gets you locked up again to serve the remainder of your sentence in JAIL. Here we have huge volumes of outstanding warrants, don't have the manpower to conduct ongoing sweeps for warrants, don't have the jail space to lock people up who violate probation and/or community corrections, don't hae the jail space to hold people who should be deemed a risk (sorry, but anyone should have assessed Coleman as high risk, even if he hadn't previously shot someone-- read the Ct. of Appeals opinion on his codefendent in the 2005 car deal robbery, he pulled a gun and threatened to kill the guy).

As to this isolated problem, there are so many people on the streets whose criminal histories and/or actions mean they should not be, because we don't have the manpower to execute the warrants and process them, nor the jail space to keep them in.

Anonymous said...

Abdul and the rest of the media are encouraging people to give money to a memorial fund for this Hunt family. I'd give the money to an anonymous homeless man on the street before I gave a dime to that family. What a joke. You know where that money is going to wind up.

Anonymous said...

For the record, I see police escorting funeral processions frequently. I assume often that is part of the funeral cost and arranged through the funeral home, maybe this was donated, but with the size of crowd and other issues, it would seem sensible.

It is not really possible to have a funeral procession of any length through the city without one, especially to go to Crown Hill, in the middle of the city. It's very different from having a funeral procession in a small town or small city, rural area, or even suburbs where there is much less traffic, intersections, and fewer stoplights and potential gridlock.

Gary R. Welsh said...

The deceased person's estate or their family pays for the escorts you see for funeral processions in the city. Just call up any funeral home in town and ask them about it.

Anonymous said...

There is a huge reason for incidents like this in particular and this crime wave in general-JUDGES IN THIS COUNTY DON'T LIKE TO SEND PEOPLE TO PRISON!!!!!

They don't, and they even admit it. Judge Goodman spent 24 years on the bench, and said in his retirement speech the reason he never wanted to advance to major felony cases was because he didn't like to send people to prison. He's not alone, but some of those went to major felony anyway, Pratt and Hawkins chief among them.

The following account was given to me. This actually occurred, on the record, during an actual court proceeding.

Judge: You know, I saw the Concerned Clergy on the news the other night saying the only way we are going to get a handle on this crime wave is to send drug dealers to prison. But, I turned to wife, and I said, you know those drug dealers have mothers also.

There is no visibility whatsoever for sentencing in this county. The Star will report high profile crimes, but everything else flies under the radar. People don't understand how little time people get. Oh, make no mistake, if you are an innocent victim, and you show up for court for sentencing, the Court will deliver a harsh lecture and give the guy some time that makes you feel you got some justice. Then, the Judge will modify your sentence a few months later when no one is around to object. Just ask Rueben Hill, that is his speciality.

Home detention and Community Corrections in this county are jokes. People are constantly arrested outside of the home in violation of these sentences, and no one had a clue they were out until they get arrested again.

If a blog starts up (or bloggers like Gary start posts on it) about the shit sentences that are happening. Things will change. Until then, welcome to New Detroit.

Anonymous said...

12:45 PM EST...Pointing out that gun control laws are racist in origin is (a) not racist and (b) hardly a new and novel thought:

Here's what our little used constitution says on the matter:

"The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State."

The person with commons sense is (s)he who takes the constitution at face value. Requiring a license to carry a gun is the same as requiring a law degree to server on a is clearly unconstitutional.

I refuse to spend time looking up a rebutting reference to your non-argument, but given the State of Indiana's horrendous history of race relations - the entire state having been under the control of the Klan in the 1920's - I would not be surprised to find that gun licensing began during that era, as a means to keep the black man down.

Bart Lies said...

When the people were transported from 21st St. to downtown on Friday, they were (a) escorted by at least one other IMPD car, (b) the basement and lobby area was cleared of people, particularly media, before the detainees were moved to IMPD's upper floors, (c) At least two 'persons of interest' identities are being kept secret.

To me, this says there's a probability of more violence and IMPD is being particularly careful about all aspects of the case.

Anonymous said...

Is there anything in Indiana statute that prevents Marion County from paying rent to other counties that have "excess" or unutilized jail space?

Anonymous said...

The only reason I can support for collecting money to pay for the funerals the Funeral homes are not stuck with the expense. Not one penny left over should go to the family for "Ginas kids"....The "kids" would never see that money. Quit with the handouts....Let familys support their own.....How much taxpayers money went to support Gina and her kids?

Anonymous said...

In the 1970's, as a back lash against government "abuses", Indiana along with about a half dozen or so other states passed what is called determinate sentencing. In other words, you do crime "A" and get sent to the joint for 10 years. As part of that sentencing structure, if you behave (joke) and do something while incarcerated (take a GED class, learn a "trade" or some other way of getting time cuts) the sentence becomes reduced even more.

Example: Bad guy gets ten years, presumption is that if he behaves, he will serve 5. Take a GED class, drug class, parenting class, and a trade training and you are out in two and a half years on a ten year sentence.

Do you go before the Parole board prior to your release - not likely. These guidelines force the system to boot you out when you have jumped through all the hoops.

Now you are on the street, where you are to report to a parole agent that historically may have anywhere from 75 to 150 other parolees to supervise at any one time. The parole agents are to see (face to face) every parolee at least once a month, and do home and work visits once a quarter. With this volume of parolees to supervise, that means that the parole agent has about 10-15 minutes per month to actually see and talk to a parolee. If something goes south and an agent's parolee(s) do something stupid and get in trouble that agent now has to spend literally hours writing up paperwork to submit to a parole board (who most likely never even saw the parolee to begin with) asking permission to arrest the parolee and take him back to prison. That process in and of itself can take days.

Once the warrant is issued by the parole board the parole agent then must find the parolee, or hope they show at the office to be arrested.

The system is set up to continue to cycle criminals back to the streets. This was done originally as part of an idea that all people needed was some basic help, and that people are basically good. (Hate to tell you but people are NOT good. Left to their own devises people will turn into animals, just look at how self-serving two year olds are).

The solution: throw out determinate sentencing and return to indeterminate sentencing guidelines. (You do crime "A" and are sentenced to to 10-15 years, with a minimum of 10 years) Have EVERY prisoner seeking release go before the parole board, and demonstrate that they are indeed "rehabilitated" to where they are no longer a threat to the community. Eliminate sentence modifications by the trial judge, save those situations where exculpatory evidence exonerates the prisoner.

Then maybe the revolving door that is INDOC might swing in favor of the citizens and slam shut on the criminals.

Anonymous said...

The problem is lack of jail space and punishment. This country suffers from such a weak jail/punishment phase, that crimes such as burglary, theft, etc. are basically thought of as "kids being kids" even when it is adults committing such crime. Even if your lucky enough to go to prison, it is a cake walk compared to other systems around the world. I am not one for prisons that are cesspools, but cable TV, gaming systems, etc.? Give me a break. I personally say let them live in their clean cell for most the day and give them two or three hours tops to do other things: Work out, some TV (no cable), cards, board games. Making prison into a social club of thugs is dumb. No rehabilitation is going to take place in that sort of environment. The only punishment ends up being you can't get laid by someone of the opposite sex and you can't leave.

The scary thing in all this, we ain't seen nothing yet. Just give the country another 10 years, maybe 15. If you don't have a gun now, get one. Learn how to use it. Learn how to be a person who is aware and in the know, not someone with their head stuck in some progressive/liberal blissninnie wonderland.

Anonymous said...

Tip of Iceberg

Take it from someone that knows. These men are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of violent felons running amok in our community. The judges need to take some of the heat but a poor conviction rate by Carl Brizzi office allows many to walk too or have their sentences reduced.

Citizens really need to start looking into the punishment that is being handed out.

Anonymous said...

1:54, the state Constitutional quote you cite, needs ampllification, mostly because it confers power to individuals not specifically gauranteed in the federal Constitution. Here, courtesy of a handy-dandy pocket-sized version of the U.S. Constitution which I always carry (because folks continually refer to this cherrished document, and so few actually know what it says):

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I quoted it verbatim--any Constitutional scholar will tell you, in the context of the 1770s, anything capitalized was to have predominance over other words, should disputes about meaning later arise. And in 1770, capitalized "State" meant the federal government. Yeah, I know it's confusing. Read some of Madison's or Jefferson's treatises to determine why. When they meant individual states, their language was "the states" (lower case andplural, preceded by "the").

Anything in the Indiana Constitution, specifically the Art.1 Sec. 32 reference you cite, is subordinate to the federal Constitution IF a conflict arises.

There are approx. 14-15 states which specifically mention the right to personal defense as a cornerstone of the right to bear arms.

Although Indiana's 1-32 has not been specifically tested in the federal court system, every single one of the states which has fought this battle has lost. For good reason.

You can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts.

Anonymous said...

4:21, Brizzi may have a lot of faults, but his conviction rate is at or above average for a city this size. Kennedy really, really, tried to make an issue of it during the campaign, but couldn't.

Regardless, these men WERE convicted. Thus, the burden shifts to the judges to send them away. They didn't. Their asses need to be put to the fire. They make 120k a year, they can stand the heat.

How about this-I have listened to wire intercepts in narcotic dealing cases before, and at least four times have heard one of the perps say "make sure you are in Marion County when this goes down." Even they know they won't get shit here, and they also know they will get hammered out of county.

2:13, if you recall after the murder wave around a year and a half ago, one of the crime fighting solutions to alleviate jail overcrowding was to send overflow to other counties. Never happened. They just simply gave everyone such a low bond no one stayed in jail while waiting for trial. Judges who didn't want to go along with this kept getting pressured to drop the bonds. Judges who always looked for an excuse to release someone used this for all it was worth. The judges who stood firm eventually caved or stuck their guns for so long all the other courts' prisoners were released, so there was plenty of room.

Anonymous said...

Part of this should be blamed on US Attorney. Once there has been a
prior felony conviction, it is a federal crime to possess a handgun
or even ammunition. Maybe someone
ought to ask the current and prior
US Attys why the feds were so lazy
and didn't prosecute any federal handgun possessions after the first state level felony conviction had been served at their next arrest.

# 2 to ask is Brizzi. Why didn't he file Revocation of Probation
proceedings? I'm not sure if any
of these suspects had the 2 prior
felonies for the "bitch" (Habitual)
enhancement. Were their sentences as a result of trials or binding pleas?

# 3 to ask are the Marion County Judges. They probably won't answer
back, but that at least it puts
some light on them.

Anonymous said...

So 5:40, is it possible (just not done) to make agreements with other counties or state DOC to house Marion County jail inmates?

Anonymous said...

I just watched Channel 13 news and saw all the politicians showed up for the funeral, Brizzi and Ballard topping the list. I think this sends the wrong message. This women led a life of drugs and guns and knowingly placed her child in harm's way. She is as much responsible for the death of her 2-year-old as the man who pulled the trigger.

Anonymous said...

6:08 You are spot one. Sorry to say, and it hurts, but it is the truth. These issues can only be eventually solved by assigning accountability. Bleeding hearts only get more of the same.

Gary R. Welsh said...

anon 6:08, I understand what you're saying but it wouldn't be polite to be too hard on her now. I've often found people to have misplaced priorities when honoring the dead. A few years ago, one of my uncles who lived down in Bloomington died. He was a decorated WWII veteran, a silver and bronze star recipient, a long-time educator and high school track coach who led his team to a state championship on several occasions. He was a principal for many years at Bloomington South with an infamous reputation for his use of corporal punishment long after it had been discontinued in most schools. He had served on many community boards, etc. At his funeral, there were maybe two dozen folks there besides his immediate family. No mayor, no community leaders, no former students save one, etc. There were some of his old veteran buddies, some long-time close friends and a few people with whom he had worked at the school. As he was eulogized and I looked around the room, I wondered how someone who had given so much to others in life could be recognized by so few in death. I had no idea that he was a decorated war veteran until one of his fellow veterans shared stories of his heroics in the Pacific front. He never bragged about anything. And no, he was not a fan of Bobby Knight. If he had been his boss, Knight wouldn't have lasted long at IU.

Anonymous said...

With a prosecutor like Carl "Lap Dance" Brizzi and all of the politically selected Judges, what do you expect? Any more naked lap dances lately Carl?

Anonymous said...

One of the biggest problems with our current criminal justice system is the boondoggle that is community corrections. Sentencing statutes that require mandatory non-suspendible prison time used to mean that the defendant went to the Department of Correction since that was the only place you could serve an executed felony sentence. The do-gooders have sold the courts on the concept of “community corrections” and now a mandatory non-suspendible felony sentence can be served however the community corrections staff deems fit. This often means home detention or work release. Imagine you are a defendant, with one or more felony convictions already on your record, standing in front of a judge at a sentencing hearing on a Class B Felony armed robbery conviction and facing up to 20 years at Pendleton or Michigan City. There is a very real likelihood that you could end up serving your sentence IN YOUR LIVING ROOM. Now that’s a deterrent, isn’t it? Since you are a criminal and not one that is inclined to follow the rules anyway what do you think the chances are that you are actually going to abide by the guidelines of your home detention?

And for the poster that wants to see the habitual offender statute used more often: how many of you out there are aware that in 2001 the Indiana general assembly, in its infinite wisdom, decided to virtually eliminate the ability of prosecutors to file habitual offender enhancements on drug charges, or to use prior drug convictions to support habitual offender enhancements? Seem like a good idea to you?

In an era when we have room in our Department of Corrections for hundreds of prisoners from Arizona why are we not sentencing some of our own hard core recidivist felons to the DOC instead of the laughable community corrections? If judges don’t like the burden of putting people in prison then perhaps they are in the wrong line of work.

Anonymous said...

Just a comment, Annonymous, you are off the HOOK! And PAINFULLY honest.
Unfortunately we are dealing with a wounded community, and people ages 21-24 aren't being reached on any level. That is scary and everyone plays a role in the way that they deal with people everyday. There's a sociopath on every corner. "Drug flunkies gone wild" What is the value of a lb of weed? Were these murders really about a robbery?

Anonymous said...

Some (perhaps many...?) young people aren't being "reached" because they come from single-parent houses. Where the custodial parent has to hussle all week to earn a living. Oversight is often, in those cases, lax, to put it mildly.

The young who are poorly or not supervised, are prey for the gangs, starting at 10-12 years of age. At that age, a child will do almost anything for someone who pays attention and shows an interest. Particularly if the parental supervision has been lax.

There are economic, social and legal reasons too many of these kids are lost. I have 3 kids--24, 20-16--and there but for the grace of God go I.

Well, the Grace of God, my constant harping about rules, and my size 9.5 square up their rear ends about twice a week. I ask lots of questions. Too many, my youngest says.

And when one of my kids tells me they're going to a friend's house, almost every time, I pick up the phone and confirm. Among their friends, I'm known as the Hanging Judge. It is not my goal to be the friend of their friends. I do get respect, which I expect.

And yes, I have had to go retrieve them more than once (but not often), when the stories didn't match.

It's a lot of work. And I'm not finished, so I can't crow about my success--yet. Their mother really deserves most of the credit.

If only the parents of these two young girls had heeded any of the multiple signals, including an armed September robbery where two furs worth $5 large were stolen. Two furs, in a run-down neighborhood, where the girls have no jobs? And the babies' fathers are, in both cases, convicted drug felons? Whose records are not hard to find?

If your 24-year-old child wants to go astray, you've pretty much worn out your options. But when a baby is involved, I don't know about you, but I'm getting my grandkid out of their lickety-split.

Anonymous said...

AGAIN.......I 100% see your same vision. While we can't always control the actions or the paths that our children take WE MUST as parents give our very best to guidance & teach our children towards making good decisions for living the "RIGHT LIFE". However when the government teach our children that using corporal punishment (I'm referring to your "9.5" comment)as discipline will get your parents in trouble with the law, how do you the young single parent rise boys to be MEN or girls to be WOMEN living the " RIGHT LIFE"? I believe this is where the problem start parents fear using the "9.5" when it is needed. You make some very vaild points and I would love to continue but my daughter turn 21 years old today and I(her single black mother) AM GOING OUT WITH HER & HER friends. See, I like you feel my duty as her mother is never done.

Anonymous said...

I grew up proud of my hometown, Indianapolis. -Then something EVIL happened...the Democrat Machine took over.

Police weren't hired for over 2 years. The prosecutor had his budget cut. The public defender went on a hiring spree...and some of his new-hires were a bit less than honorable.

Today, we do NOT have enough police. Our prosecutor is deliberately undercharging criminals (if at all)....and our liberal judges don't send anyone to prison.

The ankle bracelet & "home detention" are jokes among criminals, who know that the prosector has a policy of not filing on them for doing anything they want.

I now live in South Detroit, Indiana.

When the Democrat Machine took over, it changed a great city that was tough on crime into a crime mecca!

-The results speak for themselves.

Anonymous said...

Whoever is in charge of Marion County Community Corrections should be FIRED!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous you are PREACHING the COLD HARD TRUTH......Reddestofroses I can personally relate to your post@ 9:13pm. When things such as the Hovey St killings or the killing of that taxicab driver by a 16 year old boy, the first society thought is "there was or wasn't something done by the parents with that child's home training"...I will be the first to say the government has taken away parental rights of giving children growing up today that old fashion healthy fear of their parents because using " TIME OUT " will not teach/enforce that repeatly breaking rules/laws is unacceptable but I am a firm believer that spanking/whipping that behind will make all the difference when raising the child to be a repectable citizen. Amen

Anonymous said...

A friend from England asked me a few months back if I believed in the electric chair.

After this week, I believe in electric bleachers.

Anonymous said...

The WERE drug dealers though and should not have used public resources when their family has tens of thousands in safes.

Anonymous said...

Brizzi's office does not screen cases to ensure they only prosecute those that are necessary and has probable cause.

I've defended a couple of men charged for crimes that on the face of the information clearly shows self-defense or that the other party was the agressor/batter. It's such as waste in resources. The prosectours office does nothing but rubberstamp the information the police officer write, a non-lawyer and charge. The prosecutors rarely dismiss prior to trial, just saying they can't pursuant to department regulation. They then dismiss on the date of the trial, clogging up the court calender with the case.

We need a REAL prosecutor, not a pretty boy looking for fame.

Anonymous said...

4:20 Carl Brizzi has been asleep on duty for a couple years now. He routinely undercharges serious felonies, and declines many other cases.

Where is the indictment of Monroe Gray for racketeering, Ghost Employment and other charges, whose documented evidence of Ghost Employment was SO OBVIOUS that it was on page 1 of a leftist newspaper????

What about the corruption in the incompetent coroner's office? County property missing, dead people property missing, a giant pay-out after the corrupt elected official was sued for racial discrimination....a pattern??? You bet! Justice? Only for the citizen in the civil court, as Carl has been asleep.

Central Indiana Jobs with Justice said...

An emotionally mature person holds him/herself accountable in some fashion for almost everything that happens in life. If there is not a sense of responsibility, there is at least a moment of learning. Obviously, like many others in our city, the girls on Hovey did not learn enough from the violence they had experienced before to enlighten them to make more positive, safe choices for themselves and their children.

However, I challenge everyone to take a look at their own life and see the various ways in which it could have been drastically different. What if you did not have supportive parents? What if your childhood caregivers had been drug addicts and no one did anythign about it? What if you witnessed violence on a daily basis in your neighborhood and no showed you enough love to overpower anger and pain? Are these not the experiences of the people you now want to throw in jail? We did nothing to help them then, so now we're content with spending our tax payer money on more jails since they're adults and made choices based on the only infomration they had?

The best solution would be a combination of social worker pollyannaism that enstills hope, accountability to results and responsible public/private spending. These do not have to be mutually exclusive.

You can be safe in your comfortable lifestyle and take full accountability for all of your successes, overlooking middle and upperclass privileges. That would explain how people can fully blame others for their poor choices. Without a shared sense of community, we will continue to ask ourselves how this can happen and why more prisons aren't being built.

Anonymous said...

Bleeding heart liberals keep letting them out. We need a serious 3 strikes and your are out law that is enforced. No one wants to spend the money to keep them locked up ..... face it you pay some way some how it might as well be with them behind bars and John Q public free to live their life in safety.

Anonymous said...

I am the fiance' of one of the "suspects" and I would just like you to truly know all of the information before making a judgment against him. Isn't the basis of our legal system "innocent until proven guilty" anyhow? I also beleive that you should know the facts in those previous cases you mentioned if you are going to use them to make your bias judgment. My heart goes out to the families of those women and children and I do not mean to "blame the victim" in anyway, but when you live the street life and actively involve yourself in a life of crime the end result is often tragic for all involved, even me and fiance' and OUR two kids. Had he not have been written off after becoming an offender, been allowed an opportunity to flourish in society, have a job he wouldn't have felt pressured to provide for us "by any means neccessary". I blame the system for this. It is flawed and unsupportive to someone in desperate need of rehabilitation, actively seeking "a way out".