Thursday, August 09, 2007

It's Still There


That old, inoperable Buick Riviera city inspectors have been on City-County Councilor Patrice Abduallah (D) for more than a year to remove from his "residence" is still there. An avid AI reader stopped by Abduallah's neighborhood this morning and captured these two photos of the rear side of the residence from an alley behind the home. The public is still awaiting answers from Councilor Abduallah on his current residence. He has claimed this home as his residence, which has been undergoing complete renovation for more than a year and has encountered numerous building code and zoning problems and, by all indications, is not currently occupied. According to the City-County Council's website, he lists an address at 1144 N. Warman Ave. as his address, but that home is in Councilor Marilyn Pfisterer's district according to the district finder database on the CCC's website. State law requires a councilor to live in his district at least two years prior to taking office. If he moves out of the district to which he has been elected, he is required to resign his seat.

77 comments:

indyernie said...

Posters on IndyU are stating the utilities are off. Can you live legally in a home without running water?
Come on Wilson do a little investigating.
We know that you know. Why remain silent?

Anonymous said...

This stinks of The Machine and corruption!

Anonymous said...

Gary, I recognize that car!

That's the car that Julia & Tony Duncan had their first date in....

Wilson46201 said...

All he has to do is say he is renovating the house for return-soon occupancy. Why pay for utilities if you are doing slow construction work?

Can you prove this homeowner has no intention of ever returning to his freshly fixed up longtime abode? As long as he owns the place and continues to be registered to vote from that address, it'd be a tough haul to prove non-residency. I'd bet he's owned the property for many years. He's well-known in his neighborhood...

Anonymous said...

Know what Wilson. I'm the guy who took these pictures today. Tomorrow I will get close up pictures of the meters and close up pictures of any permits, if any, and the dates they were issued. This crook needs to go and i hope he takes you when he leaves..............flipper

flipper@iquest.net

Advance Indiana said...

The DMD records indicate it was a rented home back in 2001 while Abduallah owned it. Was it ever occupied as a residence by Abduallah?

Anonymous said...

Wilson, you are banned!!!!!

Stop obfuscating this blog and go Trespass through the tulips on a blog you are not banned from!

P. S. Patrice Abdullah is dirty! Can the feds take action on a corrupt local politico?

Anonymous said...

Abdulla lives in Brightwood.

Wilson46201 said...

By the way, unless you have damn good telephoto lenses, trespassing to get meter photos is still a crime, Flipper. Be cool!

And to the hysterical nutterball at 6:57pm - what exactly does "trespass through the tulips" supposed to imply?

Anonymous said...

ms pfisterer is doing an excellent job representing mr. abduallah. she voted against raising his income taxes.

btw, what exactly does he do for income? his bio is unclear.

Anonymous said...

State law requires a councilor to live in his district at least one year prior to taking office. If he moves out of the district to which he has been elected, he is required to resign his seat.

Goodbye Patrice!!!!!! Adios! Tax & Spend!

Anonymous said...

First, Wilson, you are banned!!!!!

Second, a person may take photos of anything that can be seen from the public right-of-way.

Third, go pound sand, Wilson!

Stop obfuscating this blog and go Trespass through the tulips on a blog you are not banned from!

Anonymous said...

Hey, Wilson, you are banned from Abdul's blog, too!

How many blogs are you banned from?

Abdul is gonna do a special thread...are you ready?

Anonymous said...

Patrice allegedly operates a catering kitchen with his wife. That's what he told me a year ago.

If someone is pulling permits for a remodel, (s)he has a definitive period of time to complete them and apply for a Certificate of Occupancy, or the remodel permits must be resought. The maximum timeframe, I believe, is a year.

It's not like DMD has never seen this scam before. They have safeguards to make sure someone doesn't work on a home for a decade, and claim it as his address. There are assessment implications, too, and if Center is doing its job (a BIG if), the permit applications are automatically linked to the township assessor.

Junk cars are a huge Indy problem. I have reported several in my neighborhood to the Mayor's Action Line. In each instance, within a week, the inspectors came and cited the homeowners.

My observation is, that one or two of these in a neighborhood, unchallenged, soon leads to eight or ten. It's a nuisance, and, in some cases, a health hazard. God knows what lives in those abandoned vehicles. They're eyesores and Patrice is minimally guilty of being a bad neighbor.

Well known in his neighborhood? I have a friend who lives 1 1/2 blocks away, for over 7 years and has never heard of Patrice.

Wilson46201 said...

To the 7:19 hysterical anonymous nobody:

When did Gary Welsh die and make you Queen of this Blog?

Take your little personal paranoid obsessions elsewhere and let the serious folk discuss serious issues!

Anonymous said...

Attention bloggers: As of now, Wilson has Trespassed through the tulips 20% of the thread!!!! 20% has been dedicated to someone who has been told by the blog administrator to STAY AWAY!

Sounds like a typical Democrap! Ignore personal property rights, and trespass.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Wilson! Did you hear that Kerry Forestal and IndyErnie are meeting for a little pow-wow on Friday? Looks like the donation that Kerry made to the PAC is paying off. They're going to the City Market at 11:45 on Friday.
How will GaryJ survive that day since it will be Ernie's turn to use the brain.
Don't let Wilson take your picture. It'll end up on the internet!!

Wilson46201 said...

what exactly does "trespass through the tulips" supposed to imply?

Anonymous said...

I think "Wilson Lies" t-shirts should be bought by the bloggers.

WILSON LIES!

A person may take photos of anything that can be seen from the public right-of-way.

7:12 -Wilson Lies!

Anonymous said...

7:34 Wilson said he "can't take pictures anymore", because of his 7:12 post.

WILSON LIES!

Anonymous said...

This stinks of The Machine and corruption!

Wilson46201 said...

The thread is being highjacked by some nutterball. Sheesh!

Anonymous said...

WILSON ALERT: Wilson is now 22% of this thread!!!!

-And he is banned from this blog!

Don't let his lies and obfuscations change the thread....it's about Machine Politics and Corruption & a council member who does not live in the district the law requires him to live in to be a councilman.

Anonymous said...

7:50 Wilson lies!

Anonymous said...

Wilson: You have the audacity to call names like "anonymous nobody" and "nutterball" but cannot honor the wishes of the blog owner?

Geeeeezzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!

Corruption is as Corruption does!

Anonymous said...

He's well-known in his neighborhood...

Yea, he is the guy who has the worst yard on the block!!

Seriously, Amos Brown talks about government confiscating such homes/properties, fixing them up, and selling them as dollar homes. This home and yard appears to be a good starting point!!

The DMD records indicate it was a rented home back in 2001 while Abduallah owned it. Was it ever occupied as a residence by Abduallah?

This might be a Wilson question: If a person claims they live at a home _and_ the government indicates the home is a rental, can one claim the homestead property tax exemption? I was under the impression it had to be the primary residence and not a business property (to me, renting property is a business).

Wilson46201 said...

The nutterballs are so easily distracted by bright, shiny objects. Actually, isn't it better they scream about me instead of Bart or Abduallah? Why are they working so hard to take the subject off of residency???

Advance Indiana said...

People claiming a rental home they own as their personal residence is one of the most common forms of tax fraud. You can only claim one. Karl Rove got caught claiming 2 home exemptions--one for his D.C. home and another in Texax.

Wilson46201 said...

A "rental" can't be used for a homestead exemption, which this place does. But can anybody prove it was rented? A casual observation by somebody at DMD wouldnt necessarily cut it. Who was the tenant? Anybody got rent receipts?

Anonymous said...

Wilson lies!

Anonymous said...

Not rumor or innuedo on the Patrice Abduallah deal. FACT: he self reported that he lives in another district. FACT: the house he used to live in that is in his district has utilities disconnected and does not have a residence permit (required because of all the work he has attempted to have done on it). this is not a mailing address versus actual residence thing. are his votes valid since is is not in compliance with the law?

The Machine has spoken!

Advance Indiana said...

The tenant's name was identified in DMD records. There's no point plastering her name here.

Advance Indiana said...

I want to point out that there are a number of Democrats in this town who have spoken approvingly of my raising this issue about Abduallah's residency. They believe he is a poor councilor, and they would like to see him leave the council and replaced by someone capable of doing a good job.

Wilson46201 said...

Again, playing Devil's Advocate, having a tenant at that address in 2001 proves nothing. Abduallah first ran in 2003. Was he residing there in 2003? Disprove it!

Jen said...

"State law requires a councilor to live in his district at least one year prior to taking office."

Just FYI...

IC 3-8-1-25
City-county council member
Sec. 25. A candidate for membership on city-county council of a first class city must have resided in the district in which seeking election, if applicable, for at least two (2) years before the date of taking office.
As added by P.L.5-1986, SEC.4.

Wilson46201 said...

Thanks for the cite! Now exactly what does Indiana case law say about what "resided" means concerning elections? It expressly doesn't say "lived at"...

Attorney Welsh -- HELP !!!

GaryJ said...

If they are having a meeting, that doesn't concern me. I'll use my own brain thank you. Ernie has his own as well.
Forestall didn't make a donation to the PAC unless he did so anonymously, which I doubt.
This thread is about Patrice Abdullah, not indyernie or Mr. Forestall. Don't help Wilson hijack the thread, he is at least trying to stay on topic with this one. Maybe AI will just delete the post?

Thanks for the information, Jen, but will it go anywhere? Proof is hard to come across. With this administration it's even less likely it would be used and anything come of it.

Anonymous said...

wilson (whoever you are), when jen wagner, the director of communications for the indiana democrats, is helping providing legal citations to help make the case AGAINST a fellow democrat, it is surely time for you to stop attempting to defend.

i have never met or spoken with mr. abduallah but i have observed his behavior at CCC and committee meetings. he is certainly not serving or representing his constituency well. i'm certain the democrats will find a much more capable replacement.

Advance Indiana said...

Jen, Thanks for correcting that. The constitution sets a one-year residency requirement for state legislators and county office-holders. I was thinking the law for the city council members mirrored the constitution. I stand corrected. The statute is all over the board on residency requirements depending on which local office you are seeking.

Wilson46201 said...

The usual procedure to resolve a residency dispute in an election year is to take it to the voters but this year, the GOP (and Libertarians) didnt put up any opponent to Councilor Abduallah. He is thus automatically re-elected.

So what's the point of this exercise here? You feel aggrieved - so what's the remedy?

indyernie said...

"Mr. Wilson! Did you hear that Kerry Forestal and IndyErnie are meeting for a little pow-wow on Friday? Looks like the donation that Kerry made to the PAC is paying off. They're going to the City Market at 11:45 on Friday."

I don’t know where you get your information but I’ll be on the golf course tomorrow at 11:45.
Idiots like you should get a like and quit worrying about me or what I'm doing.

Wilson46201 said...

Golfing? In weather like this? Around noon? It'll be a great day to stay in the air-conditioned clubhouse...

Anonymous said...

Have you seen indyernie lately? You should go with him, Wilson. You could baoth stand to lose a couple of pounds.
Take garyj with you as a caddy. He's getting a gut "dunlap" as well. Maybe Hank Bosworth can go and you could get a 4-some going.
(golf team that is)

Anonymous said...

The usual procedure to resolve a residency dispute is an election?

Are you nuts?

If the candidate is not qualified to be on the ballot, there would be no election.

Reference Evan Bayh, Shelby Circuit Court, 1988.

Your answer to everything is that the voters decided, or get to decide.

Monroe Gray is a pathetic council president. Solution? "The voters decided on him."

Patrice is worse. The solution: "Let the voters decide where he lives."

We're not a freaking plebicite. Qualifications and peformance do matter.

Patrice has no honor or he'd resign. Proving he does not live there is not that difficult. A decent prosecutor could do it in five minutes of deposition.

Let the games begin.

Wilson46201 said...

Was a decent prosecutor elected last year in Marion County?

Anonymous said...

not sure about that one, Wilson. He definitely dodges some issues, pushes on others

I prefer to think he's competent, but hugely political.

I do know he's annoying as hell.

He has told a friend of mine, when quizzed about his lack of prosecution on something, that he wouldn't "go after someone just because a bunch of blogs post it."

He did the right thing on Ron Gibson.

Translation: a real citizen comes forward and files a complaint, he might look at it.

Anyone in Patrice's district game for that?

Anonymous said...

"Translation: a real citizen comes forward and files a complaint, he might look at it.

Anyone in Patrice's district game for that?"

Gary sez he lives in Patrice's district...

Anonymous said...

Once again, Wilson The Trespasser, obfuscating at a 25% rate on this thread!

...just keep diverting attention

Wilson46201 said...

It's kinda pitiful to see again that anonymous nobody who is so fascinated by me -- she's a faceless hysteric who constantly tries to hijack threads with her personal obsessions...

Anonymous said...

Wilson, looks like you are hijacking the thread. And aren't you banned?

donna said...

My god man, the least you can do is get rid of the vehicle!

Anonymous said...

Let me guess what Patrice would say about getting rid of the vehicle if asked by a constituent:

"Na na na na na na!" "Who's gonna make me?" "Gonna call Da Mayor?" "I'm part of The Machine, and nobody gonna mess with that car."

Anonymous said...

Wilson!

Thank you for your legal advise and camera lens advise. Ill try and remember that next time i jump over his fence.

Anonymous said...

Abdullah is about as shady as they come. There were already residency questions when he ran in 2003. His Libertarian opponent filed a complaint with the Marion County Election Board because he misreported about $10k in campaign donations. The alligations were found to be true. Had it gone to the prosecutor, he could have faced a felony. Instead, they fined him $100.

The Star referred to him as "a community leader" on the sole basis that it was his JOB to help people find public housing. I don't think that he does much leading when he's not getting paid. Have even heard that he's asking other councilors for personal loans.

Unfortunately, he runs in an 84% Democratic district. The Libertarian candidate came close to carrying a couple of precincts in '03, but there were several precincts that went 100% Democrat. It's tough to dislodge someone with those numbers.

The biggest shame in all of this: that's a '68 or '69 Riviera. Fixed up, that's an exceptionally valuable, cool car.

Wolfrham Hart said...

Agreed. Late 60s Rivieras are seriously cool rides. Fixed up I would love to have that car.

Elections aren't a solution to anything when 1) the candidate isn't qualified 2) the electorate doesn't have any alternative choices. Both problems appear to exist here.

It isn't my job to prove Abdullah lives in his district. It is his job. The fact that Abdullah doesn't want to confirm his residency isn't a good sign.

Greg said...

What I know about this situation is what I have read on this site. It brings to the fore the very issue however of party politics, both republican and democrat (one candidate only presented). It also reinforces the old saying; "You are identified by those with whom you associate". It is sad that with this situation, along with the Monroe Gray situations mentioned, that the local democrat party has not taken a hard stand for integrity. Forget about republican transgressions, this is an issue at hand. It defines our current democratic leadership. Unfortunately, it leads one to the definition of....corruption. This is not about judgement. It is not about mistakes. It is about integrity.

Anonymous said...

Greg just hit it out of the park, without steroids. :-) Plain, simple, honest.

The Mayor and County Democratic Chairman ought to force Patrice off the ballot promptly.

I've been a Dem committeeman since 1980 and I can tell you--most of us are embarrassed by this nonsense. Same with Monroe's leadership.

If Patrice truly honored his chosen faith as much as he professes, he'd back out, to save his honor. Cause his actions sure do nothing to glorify his honor. He's behaved like a whiney baby desparately latching onto his only income and purpose.

How's that for pathetic?

"Get outta my yard or I'll call the police"

Anonymous said...

Patrice Abdullah is dishonorable!

Wilson46201 said...

How can anybody "force" an elected councilor to resign? Don't elections by voters have any meaning any more? Can some cabal just "force" an elected official out of office? Not in America!

Nobody filed to run against him in November - he is on the ballot and will be re-elected automatically. Why didnt the GOP or Libertarians run a candidate against this man if he is allegedly so awful?

Advance Indiana said...

In other words, Wilson, the leadership of the Marion Co. Democratic Party is incapable of ensuring the integrity of the process by policing its own. Mike O'Connor and Mayor Peterson should pull Patrice aside and tell him to do the right thing, resign his seat.

Anonymous said...

Gary is 100% right.

Don't for a moment try to obfuscate this argument by telling us the voters decide. In a 75% Democratic district, he's effectively elected after the primary results are certified. Cloaking your arguments in "voters decide" is old, lame and sometimes doesn't cut the mustard.

When I supported Bart for his first term, he promised me this type of nonsense would not be tolerated. I warned him that the Center gulag would make him eat those words, and he professed otherwise.

To this nutcase crowd, the ends justify all means.

Their day is almost up, Gary.

Now, will some voter in Patrice's district (either one of them) file a complaint with the prosecutor?

Wilson46201 said...

And what would be the charge that the County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi (Republican) could bring? Please quote law, not idle speculation or heartfelt opinion!

AdvanceIndiana is both a resident of District 16 and an attorney. HELP!!!

Advance Indiana said...

Look at this statute:

IC 3-8-2-7
Declaration of candidacy
Sec. 7. (a) The declaration of each candidate required by this chapter must be signed before a person authorized to administer oaths and contain the following information:
(1) The candidate's name, printed or typewritten as:
(A) the candidate wants the candidate's name to appear on the ballot; and
(B) the candidate's name is permitted to appear on the ballot under IC 3-5-7.
(2) A statement that the candidate is a registered voter and the location of the candidate's precinct and township (or ward and city or town), county, and state.
(3) The candidate's complete residence address, and if the

candidate's mailing address is different from the residence address, the mailing address.

And look at this statute:

IC 3-8-2-23
Candidate moving from district in which running; action upon failure to withdraw
Sec. 23. (a) This section applies if a person:
(1) files a declaration of candidacy under this chapter;


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(2) moves from the election district that the person sought to represent following the filing of the declaration of candidacy;
(3) does not file a notice of withdrawal of candidacy under section 20 of this chapter; and
(4) is no longer an active candidate.
(b) The county chairman of any political party on the ballot in the election district or a candidate for the office sought by the person described in subsection (a) may, upon determining that this section applies, file an action in the circuit court in the county where the person described in subsection (a) resided. The complaint in this action must:
(1) state that this section applies to the person;
(2) name the person described in subsection (a) and the public official responsible for placing that person's name on the ballot as defendants; and
(3) be filed no later than a notice of withdrawal could have been filed under section 20 of this chapter.
(c) When a complaint is filed under subsection (b), the circuit court shall conduct a hearing and rule on the petition within ten (10) days after it is filed.
(d) If the court finds in favor of the plaintiff, a candidate vacancy occurs on the:
(1) general election ballot; and
(2) primary election ballot if no other person is:
(A) a member of the same political party as the person described in subsection (a); and
(B) a candidate on the ballot for the office sought by the person described in subsection (a).
(e) The candidate vacancy shall be filled under IC 3-13-1.

And look at this statute:

IC 3-14-1-1
Defacing, falsifying, or destroying declarations, requests, petitions, or certificates
Sec. 1. A person who knowingly:
(1) falsely makes or fraudulently defaces or destroys a declaration of candidacy, request for ballot placement under IC 3-8-3, certificate or petition of nomination, recount petition or cross-petition, contest petition, or certificate of candidate selection, or a part of the declaration, request, petition, or certificate;
(2) files a declaration of candidacy, request for ballot placement under IC 3-8-3, certificate or petition of nomination, recount petition or cross-petition, contest petition, or certificate of candidate selection, knowing any part thereof to be falsely made;
(3) refuses to execute a certificate of nomination or candidate selection when required by this title to do so and knowing that the candidate has been nominated or selected;
(4) if the document is listed in subdivision (1), refuses to:
(A) receive the document; or
(B) record the date and time the document was received;
when presented in accordance with this title; or
(5) suppresses a declaration of candidacy, request for ballot placement under IC 3-8-3, petition or certificate of nomination, recount petition or cross-petition, contest petition, or certificate of candidate selection, that has been duly filed, or any part of the declaration, request, petition, or certificate;
commits a Class D felony.

Wilson46201 said...

IC 3-8-2-23 is moot since the date of withdrawal has past. It seems to me to read that the removal by county chair can only be done before the legal withdrawal date.

IC 3-14-1-1 is so broad that it seemingly covers about any election paperwork sin...

Advance Indiana said...

If a candidate falsifies his residence on his declaration of candidacy, it is a violation for "falsely making" a declaration. That's a Class D felony. As I said, the appropriate person to act here is Mike O'Connor with some friendly pursuasion from Mayor Peterson. Do they stand for integrity or not? If not, it's just another reason the voters of Indianapolis have for ousting what has clearly become a corrupt, incompetent and out-of-touch administration.

Wilson46201 said...

And if Abduallah denies making a false declaration of candidacy...?

Jason said...

Mr. Wilson, riddle me this. Do you think the people of Abdullah's district deserve good representation from a counselor that lives in their district? It's very simple. Yes or no. A non-answer will be taken as a no. Thank you.

Wilson46201 said...

yes!

Anonymous said...

Patrice Abdullah is dishonorable!
He is not worthy of the name Abdullah.

Anonymous said...

"Whoever (2) files a declaration of candidacy, request for ballot placement under IC 3-8-3, certificate or petition of nomination, recount petition or cross-petition, contest petition, or certificate of candidate selection, knowing any part thereof to be falsely made; commits a Class D felony."

It's time for the grand jury Patrice!

Wilson46201 said...

And just who convenes a grand jury, pray tell?

Anonymous said...

Aren't you banned, Wilson?

Wilson46201 said...

That anonytroll at 7:50 is my deranged stalker ... ignore it! It keeps wanting to highjack threads onto its obsession.

Anonymous said...

Is that a Riviera or is it a Toronado? I had a neighbor that had a mid-60's Toronado with about a 500 cubic inch engine. It got 4 miles to the gallon. Good thing gas was only about a quarter a gallon back then....

Anonymous said...

Patrice is dishonest.

Wilson lies.

Bart Lies.

Monroe is corrupt.

King Ro is a patsy.

Vermouth Vern is a corrupt drunk.

Lacy & Cody are corrupt.

Corrupt Carl is corrupt.

Julia is "Our Fool on The Hill!"

Tony Duncan is a fool!

Wilson lies. Obfuscation is her middle name.

-It's The Machine, and it's taken over Indianapolis!

Wilson46201 said...

My deranged stalker is certainly pitiful - even confused about gender!

Melyssa said...

Wilson, you frequent forums where you are clearly not wanted and know you will be attacked without one supporter to defend you or your views. This is the behavior of a masochist. You must love it, for you come back for more and more.

Not that there is anything wrong with being masochistic, I just thought you should recognize it within yourself.