tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post5555691751593871086..comments2024-03-25T13:42:25.771-05:00Comments on Advance Indiana™: Did Michelle Obama Just Confirm Barack Is An Indonesian Citizen?Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-45146715451637144782008-10-16T07:45:00.000-05:002008-10-16T07:45:00.000-05:00Again, IPOPA (Chris Worden), you fail to grasp the...Again, IPOPA (Chris Worden), you fail to grasp the legal issue. It does not involve the question of whether Obama had and lost U.S. citizenship. It is whether he can be considered a "natural born" citizen only within the meaning of Article II for purposes of being president of the United States. He appears to have held citizenship in no fewer than three different countries. This "natural born" requirement applies only to one seeking to run for president. It has nothing to do with the citizenship status of other persons. As for losing faith in our electoral system, your Democratic Party and its ACORN organization are doing a pretty good job at that. You don't want Voter ID. You want people to be able to show up, claim to be a voter without proper ID, instantly register and cast a vote immediately. The Ohio Secretary of State who refused to verify newly registered voters until ordered by the Court of Appeals is sitting on more than 200,000 problem registrations. Your party is doing everything it can to undermine confidence in the system. I'm simply asking that a candidate for the highest office in the land show the American people proof that he is in fact a "natural born" citizen. The guy won't even produce his original birth certificate for God's sake. What are we to think. I feel like I'm living in another world where people like you can actually believe there is something wrong with requiring candidates for president to prove they meet the constitutional requirement of the office. As I've stated before, as an immigration lawyer, I'm required to submit more documentation to our government to prove a person's status on behalf of a person seeking a simple immigrant benefit than Obama is being required to submit for the most powerful elected position in our government. The guy couldn't even qualify for a national security clearance if he applied for a job requiring such with our government because of his past associations. Yet, we are prepared to turn over the keys to the government to someone who hasn't even proven he meets the basic constitutional requirement.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-51094837238844781792008-10-16T07:02:00.000-05:002008-10-16T07:02:00.000-05:00AI:In other words, this whole issue revolves aroun...AI:<BR/><BR/>In other words, this whole issue revolves around a technical legal argument? <BR/><BR/>Is there ANY case that says a person born in the United States has ever lost American citizenship without renouncing it? <BR/><BR/>And let's assume the adoption somehow gave Obama dual citizenship...am I to understand that your argument is that an American born, democratically-elected (if he wins) Obama should NOT be allowed to serve because he became a dual citizen as a child (through actions he could not control) and he never did something formally to renounce that citizenship? (What would that action have been, by the way?!?) <BR/><BR/>Yeah, your desperation is palpable, and it might actually destroy all American faith in our electoral system because this might be the second time a Republican-dominated Supreme Court takes away an election. But hey, whatever gets Obama, right?Chris Wordenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558836541249077077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-53984224207026491922008-10-16T04:10:00.000-05:002008-10-16T04:10:00.000-05:00Oh what a constitutional crisis this would be ... ...<B>Oh what a constitutional crisis this would be ... if he were elected only to discover he is not eligible under the US Constitution to serve.</B><BR/><BR/>This would be great. We should vote him in then. Anything he did would be null and void. All executive orders, null and void. All bills signed into law, null and void.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-37950392370000917752008-10-15T18:05:00.000-05:002008-10-15T18:05:00.000-05:00http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1...<A HREF="" REL="nofollow">http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html'>US Department of State</A><BR/>"...dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there."<BR/><BR/>Could make for difficulties. Suppose Indonesia demanded we turn over Obama for some legal process? Or if Indonesia is attacked by another government and said govt involves us because our President is 'one of them.' Or worse, our President then decides to help out 'his country' in war.Downtown Indyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06239811599722585898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-50513197014259703552008-10-15T13:10:00.000-05:002008-10-15T13:10:00.000-05:00Dual citizenship is not looked on with favor but i...Dual citizenship is not looked on with favor but it is also not prohibited under U.S. immigration laws. It is my understanding that at the time Obama allegedly acquired Indonesian citizenship that country's law did not recognize dual citizenship. The issue here does not turn on how dual citizenship applies to an ordinary citizen. There is a specific requirement in the U.S. constitution that a president be a "natural born" citizen. There are conflicting views on what this means. In contemporary legal thinking, people often see this as meaning you were born on American soil. Other legal scholars interpret it differently when analyzing it through the meaning intended by the founders of our constitution: “All persons born in the Allegiance of the King are Natural- Born subjects, and all persons born in the Allegiance of the United States are Natural-Born Citizens. Birth and Allegiance go together. Such is the Rule of the Common Law, and it is the Common Law of this Country…since as before the Revolution.” Under this latter view, a person becoming a citizen through naturalization or one who holds dual citizenship could not be a natural born citizen.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-90510490556043601722008-10-15T12:17:00.000-05:002008-10-15T12:17:00.000-05:00Oh what a constitutional crisis this would be ... ...Oh what a constitutional crisis this would be ... if he were elected only to discover he is not eligible under the US Constitution to serve.<BR/><BR/>So let's say on the assumption he was really born in Hawaii, and became a naturalized Indonesian citizen, adopted by Mr. Soetoro, does Indonesia allow dual citizenship with the USA? Does Indonesia require renouncing all previous citizenships to become a citizen of their nation? Did he renaturalize as a US citizen? <BR/><BR/>You're an immigration attorney Gary - what countries can a US citizen be a dual citizen and which ones cannot? I only know of Canada and Israel as dual citizenship nations with the USA.Sir Hailstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301073859882785758noreply@blogger.com