tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post115858326616170266..comments2024-03-25T13:42:25.771-05:00Comments on Advance Indianaâ„¢: Revisionist History Commences On Illegally Constructed BarGary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158669206363622592006-09-19T07:33:00.000-05:002006-09-19T07:33:00.000-05:00Most of the governmental bodies before whom a neig...Most of the governmental bodies before whom a neighborhood association leader testifies, ask the leader these questions:<BR/><BR/>Is this position (for or against) a result of a formal vote of your board? In an open meeting? Did you invite the petitioner and negotiate with him?<BR/><BR/>Will Higgins and the editors have demonstrated to me, they're lazy. His stories have been tardy and incomplete, and he inverviews people who need more questiones asked of them.<BR/><BR/>McPaper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158665904534024672006-09-19T06:38:00.000-05:002006-09-19T06:38:00.000-05:00I don't think that's who anon was referring to Que...I don't think that's who anon was referring to Queen. It was the Fox 59 News interview anon was referencing.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158663442000181782006-09-19T05:57:00.000-05:002006-09-19T05:57:00.000-05:00Mr. Leonard is a former president, not current, fo...Mr. Leonard is a former president, not current, for the Neighborhood association. I don't know why Will Higgins interviewed him for the article.<BR/><BR/>The majority of residents at the meeting were African Americans and so is the current president.Queen916https://www.blogger.com/profile/16645350502782946096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158663140287851102006-09-19T05:52:00.000-05:002006-09-19T05:52:00.000-05:00Anonymous 1:29 a.m. - If you don't live in the Map...Anonymous 1:29 a.m. - <BR/><BR/>If you don't live in the Mapleton Fall Creek Neighborhood, you really don't have a vote on the matter. This is a residential neighborhood.<BR/><BR/>The public buildings mentioned by the bar supporters are located in downtown commercial areas, not residential neighborhoods.<BR/><BR/>NUMBER ONE ISSUE! "OUR YOUTH"<BR/>The playground being removed for whatever reason clearly indicates the true interests of the elected Trustee and the investors. There are small children in the surrounding area that would have had a safe place to play. Instead the trustee and his investors preferred an adult playground be constructed.<BR/><BR/>We don't need a bunch of drunks driving through the neighborhood on a daily basis. You are incorrect the neighborhood association does not support alcohol in the building. <BR/><BR/>It is clear that several anonymous bloggers do not stand for anything and will support people who acquire political power, property and money by any means necessary, with no regard for other people or the law. The law was not been followed in this transaction, plain and simple. The Ghetto Mafia will not prevail.<BR/><BR/>Neither Wilson Allen nor you live in this neighborhood; you don't own property or have a vote. I have a vote. <BR/><BR/> At the meeting on Thursday, the area residents asked for the delay and a continuance for the variance, October 4th. <BR/><BR/> Our elected councilor, Mr. Abdullah has already notified the liquor board of his intentions to remonstrate against the liquor permit.<BR/><BR/>To date, residents have not received copies of anything and were not contacted prior to a bar being constructed in their neighborhood. This process began in May of this year.<BR/><BR/>Members will be voting on the whole issue next month after they have received more information. <BR/><BR/>We are working on major issues; saving our youth by keeping illegal drugs out of the neighborhood, limit the number of liquor permits issued for area, increasing the property values, getting rid of blight, which will help deter crime...<BR/><BR/>The crimes committed in neighborhoods seem to be connected to illegal drug deals gone bad in the parking lots, DUIs causing property damage, and noise. The Savoy Bar/Restaurant on 86th Street, Club Mecca in Eagledale, The Vault in downtown were considered upscale, black owned, now closed. Illegally operating, drug dealing on the parking lots, fights, shootings, murdered bodies in cars, auto thefts, and auto break-ins<BR/>while security guards are on duty. <BR/><BR/>Upscale bar, lowdown standards! They got caught on this one! Put the bar in your neighborhood.Queen916https://www.blogger.com/profile/16645350502782946096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158659656569549912006-09-19T04:54:00.000-05:002006-09-19T04:54:00.000-05:00Anon 1:29, the so-called head of the neighborhood ...Anon 1:29, the so-called head of the neighborhood association to whom you refer is a former lobbyist and insurance salesman. I think people know he had a different agenda than the people of the neighborhood he claimed to speak on behalf of. I suspect you'll find that many people in that neighborhood were surprised to hear him make those comments and wondered who he was.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158658861567299462006-09-19T04:41:00.000-05:002006-09-19T04:41:00.000-05:001:29 has a point. The owners of this bar know it,...1:29 has a point. The owners of this bar know it, and they're asking for a continuance because the longer this mess stirs, the more chance they have of people forgetting.<BR/><BR/>The main problem here is process, and arrogance. No more, no less.<BR/><BR/>The Wilson-Queen kerfuffle is just a sideshow. Long-standing feud that won't go away regardless what happens to this bar. It was refueled in this case, because the man running against Julia, Eric Dickerson, pulled a bone-headed move and tried to make PR points off the mess. <BR/><BR/>It isn't a federal case, and Wilson has rightfully admonished ED for it. That riled Queen, and so it goes...<BR/><BR/>Dial this back down to a strong misuse of the system, a bar owner exercising racism in plain view, and abuse of power.<BR/><BR/>It's really pretty disgusting, and has nothing to do with liquor in govt. building. Or a park being moved, altho, that's been oft-cited.<BR/><BR/>Don't let the sideshows distract you from the real issues here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158643753742658682006-09-19T00:29:00.000-05:002006-09-19T00:29:00.000-05:00You know, when this all began I was getting ALL th...You know, when this all began I was getting ALL the information about 300 East entirely from this blog. I was very angry about how it came about.<BR/><BR/>But then I saw a news story on TV where they interviewed the head of the local neighborhood association, who said the neighborhood WANTED the resturant and bar there.<BR/><BR/>And, I discovered later that the "park" that was removed, but a long-abandoned playground for an old nursery. Nothing was actually lost to the public in the neighborhood.<BR/><BR/>Then I discovered that the bar is a beautifully done, and sophisticated addition to the building.<BR/><BR/>Then I read that there are LOTS of public buildings were alcohol is sold.<BR/><BR/>And, when I read posts on this blog from people like "Queen916", whomever she/he/it is, it's apparent that Wilson46201 is right when he says: "It's interesting to note the folk hollering loudest about this restaurant kerfuffle are precisely those that can't and haven't ever gotten elected by the voters to anything. Self-chosen leaders with no following out in the community ... pitiful!<BR/><BR/>Is "No Park Left Behind" their winning issue this election cycle? Stay tuned!"<BR/><BR/>And Wilson46201 was right, again, when he pointed out that: "Wilson46201 said...<BR/>Julia Carson is no queen, merely an oft-elected representative of the people in our democratic republic since 1972. Monarchist titles may be assumed at will but carry negligible weight in the USA ..."<BR/><BR/>Those who, like Queen916", are so angry at other blacks who may have beat them in some long gone election battle, should get their emotions in check, or stay away from this thread. They add nothing to it, and their hate-filled rantings lead people to drop off this string.<BR/><BR/>It's like, "Who cares!?" about who did what. The only people upset are the folks who have an axe to grind with anyone who's black, or black and in power.<BR/><BR/>AI clearly has and continues to make valid points, but with really important issues to worry about, it'd be much better if everyone who is so energized about this real estate deal would instead, funnel their energies and passions into trying to resolve some of the really important issues confronting us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158627515641146862006-09-18T19:58:00.000-05:002006-09-18T19:58:00.000-05:00Wilson46201-Voter fraud can and will help any cand...Wilson46201-Voter fraud can and will help any candidate win an election as long as they are not caught!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158615645002031882006-09-18T16:40:00.000-05:002006-09-18T16:40:00.000-05:00Julia Carson is no queen, merely an oft-elected re...Julia Carson is no queen, merely an oft-elected representative of the people in our democratic republic since 1972. Monarchist titles may be assumed at will but carry negligible weight in the USA ...Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158612498488863042006-09-18T15:48:00.000-05:002006-09-18T15:48:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.USA Gymnastics Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14721642025458924115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158609244362145032006-09-18T14:54:00.000-05:002006-09-18T14:54:00.000-05:00Wilson46201-You may be Julia Carson's puppet but t...Wilson46201-You may be Julia Carson's puppet but that does not give you the authority to speak for black voters in this community.<BR/><BR/>Too many sweetheart deals amongst this group. They are referred to as The Ghetto Mafia and Julia is their Queen<BR/><BR/>She is not queen of the black communtiy.Queen916https://www.blogger.com/profile/16645350502782946096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158607495820765652006-09-18T14:24:00.000-05:002006-09-18T14:24:00.000-05:00Anonymous1:30 These black power brokers have setba...Anonymous1:30 These black power brokers have setback race relations in the city with this under-the-table-deal, and now they want to play the "race card" in an attempt to upset the black community.<BR/><BR/>The PR firm was hired to sell this rotten deal to the residents after they got caught. <BR/><BR/>There will be no race riot if they don't have their way.<BR/><BR/>I am not concerned about their treachery. I am very familiar with their tactics.<BR/><BR/>As for Wilson Allen 46201 - Stealing votes and stuffing ballots for Julia Carson is your primary area of expertise to help her win.<BR/><BR/>Don't get caught falsifying voter affidavits and voting illegal absentee ballots for her this election! You can't rig the voting machines anymore in certain precincts because they are computers. <BR/><BR/>I am curious to see how many people are willing to be paid to vote absentee illegally this election.Queen916https://www.blogger.com/profile/16645350502782946096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158607099297619332006-09-18T14:18:00.000-05:002006-09-18T14:18:00.000-05:00Al Oak, aka token white guy, owns an engineering/a...Al Oak, aka token white guy, owns an engineering/architecture firm. He should know all about permitting.<BR/><BR/>He also knows the players because he is a player. His firm did the center township offices. His firm does work at the airport. Its almost like a kickback.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if he'll be welcomed at 300 East?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158606123685921522006-09-18T14:02:00.000-05:002006-09-18T14:02:00.000-05:00It's interesting to note the folk hollering loudes...It's interesting to note the folk hollering loudest about this restaurant kerfuffle are precisely those that can't <I>and haven't</I> ever gotten elected by the voters to anything. Self-chosen leaders <I>with no following</I> out in the community ... pitiful!<BR/><BR/>Is "No Park Left Behind" their winning issue this election cycle? Stay tuned!Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158603214155940852006-09-18T13:13:00.000-05:002006-09-18T13:13:00.000-05:00"This is all I need, the bar at 300 East, pea shak..."This is all I need, the bar at 300 East, pea shakes, my IFD take home car, and my remote control" - Monroe Gray, Jr.<BR/><BR/>[with apologies to Steve Martin]Sir Hailstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301073859882785758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158600609779969442006-09-18T12:30:00.000-05:002006-09-18T12:30:00.000-05:008-12 dollars a square foot is a broad range. This,...8-12 dollars a square foot is a broad range. This, and speculation about size of the premises, shouldn't even be an issue. A lease document details those things.<BR/><BR/>And who determined "market" ? Was a market survey done among commercial Realtors? I believe one of the larger commercial real estate firms already lists the office space in that building for lease. That would be a good starting point for market rates.<BR/><BR/>As for the race card...Jocelyn, you should know this...whether permission was granted or not, it's been used. And, going forward, you either agree with the power brokers or you are racist. That's their definition. Ask Amos, et al. (When RiShawn Biddle dared to rattle some cages earlier this year, he was immediately mocked) Evidently only a few chosen power brokers get to decide what's best for the black community. Amazing.<BR/><BR/>And they are ruthless about applying retribution against those who disagree with them. Maybe not all these bar partners, but the officeholders and lobbyists among them are ruthless.<BR/><BR/>That's one of the reasons that blog posts on this subject, here, with Abdul, TDW, RiShawn or anywhere, get flooded. Look at this one--posted five hours and already the most-popular post on the blog. By far.<BR/><BR/>People are very interested in this issue. The list of people crapped on by these power brokers, is long and large. <BR/><BR/>Everything's coming home to roost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158597731639767472006-09-18T11:42:00.000-05:002006-09-18T11:42:00.000-05:00Info Update:According to the attorney and the desi...Info Update:<BR/><BR/>According to the attorney and the designer at the neighborhood meeting, bar restaurant are 1460 sq ft.was renovated with no kitchen. Haven't seen the lease.<BR/> market price per sq ft $8 - $12<BR/><BR/>Don't worry about the "race card" being played. They did'nt get permission from the black community to use it!Queen916https://www.blogger.com/profile/16645350502782946096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158597460031863922006-09-18T11:37:00.000-05:002006-09-18T11:37:00.000-05:00I haven't toured this restaurant but it seems like...I haven't toured this restaurant but it seems likely that the 900sq/ft is the main dining area. The total facility is probably 2000sq/ft including kitchen, storage, restrooms, etc ...<BR/><BR/>Nefariousness always is found just before an election. The facts come out later...Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158596586808890902006-09-18T11:23:00.000-05:002006-09-18T11:23:00.000-05:00900 s.f. would amount to almost $556 per s.f. of t...900 s.f. would amount to almost $556 per s.f. of tenant work.<BR/>Uh, folks...that surpasses some of Steve Hilbert's palace demands.<BR/><BR/>Under any normal business computation, you'd expect the tenant to do $150-200 per s.f. in sales. <BR/><BR/>If the space is 2000 s.f., as earlier reported (a naked-eye view seems to confirm that), that's $300K a year in gross sales. Not bad. <BR/><BR/>Here's a Real Estate 101 hint, Mr. Landlord: Look back at the childcare center lease. Its Exhibits should've included some or all of the 300 East space. Measure it from there.<BR/><BR/>Or get out a tape measure and figure it your damned self. Shouldn't be that difficult.<BR/><BR/>Procedure, folks, not peashakes.<BR/>It's all about the process. Always was, always will be.<BR/><BR/>Procedure, and arrogance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158596121786104682006-09-18T11:15:00.000-05:002006-09-18T11:15:00.000-05:00Which is exactly why a lease should've been execut...Which is exactly why a lease should've been executed. All disputes like S.F. and term, rental payment commencement, etc., utility charges, insurance, are documented in any good basic lease. The document rules in any disputes, or, if there's still a dispute, it's litigated.<BR/><BR/>Remember, the venerable Ice Miller was involved in this zoning application. They didn't see the need to have a lease? Kinda like your dentist forgetting to wash his hands. Pretty basic stuff.<BR/>(Memo to self: don't use IMDR for anything)<BR/><BR/>I hesitate to answer this, because it's absolutely ridiculous, but, the term "peashake" is not racist. I use it and I'm not racist. It describes a particular method of gambling that, unfortunately, still exists in some inner-city gambling houses.<BR/><BR/>Ask Juice. He knows. <BR/><BR/>So, are we supposed to beleive, if the racism argument is correct, that any references to practices commonly ascribed to a particular gender, race, ethnicty, etc., are themselves racist?<BR/><BR/>Oh, my...that opens up a whole crapload of possibilities.<BR/><BR/>Instead of obfuscation, how about dealing with the facts here? Peashake is a sidebar, at best.<BR/><BR/>Another excellent post, AI. Heads-up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158595061271390522006-09-18T10:57:00.000-05:002006-09-18T10:57:00.000-05:00The 900 square-feet amount isn't believable. It co...The 900 square-feet amount isn't believable. It couldn't include a kitchen or the outdoor seating, let along the main serving area. But since no lease was actually executed, who's to say how much space they leased.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158594096232824722006-09-18T10:41:00.000-05:002006-09-18T10:41:00.000-05:00Look, BACK TO THE TOPIC. You can be sure the date...Look, BACK TO THE TOPIC. You can be sure the dates are not going to line up. Time for an investigation on all the corruption going on here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158593337469815652006-09-18T10:28:00.001-05:002006-09-18T10:28:00.001-05:00"Peashakes" is the modern code word that racists u..."Peashakes" is the modern code word that racists use to identify themselves. Wearing a white hood in public is sooo 1920s ...<BR/><BR/>Such codewords guarantee the GOP won't get more than 10% of the vote in the Black community - if that.Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158593294933190522006-09-18T10:28:00.000-05:002006-09-18T10:28:00.000-05:00Wilson46201 said... ...will Eric Dickerson pledge,...Wilson46201 said... <BR/>...will Eric Dickerson pledge, if elected to Congress, to get Federal legislation passed to prohibit alcohol sales in any and all government buildings in the USA? A sorta-18th Amendment?<BR/><BR/>Eric agrees with Carson - the bar is a bad idea. He would not want one in a government building where his new congressional office will be.<BR/><BR/>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1158592614668121462006-09-18T10:16:00.000-05:002006-09-18T10:16:00.000-05:00not to mention 900 square feet is just slightly la...not to mention 900 square feet is just slightly larger than a 1 BR apartment. Get more than 10 people in there doing shakes and it'll be quite cramped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com