tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post8683485108831950018..comments2024-03-25T13:42:25.771-05:00Comments on Advance Indiana™: Attorney General's Position In Charlie White Appeal Poses Greatest Threat To Voter DisenfranchisementGary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-31419740706888777482014-09-06T21:36:17.720-05:002014-09-06T21:36:17.720-05:00Anon. 7:05. You should reveal your identity to eve...Anon. 7:05. You should reveal your identity to everyone..it might explain some things. Anon 705 presumes that the law got into the jury's hands..a monkey can lie about the law by replacing it with rhetoric and secure convictions...especially something as contextual as domicile. If you get convicted, the IDC had to suspend me for now...they did not judge the merits...I just appreciate the fact they stayed other proceedings until my appeal is done.<br />First, I passed the bar on the first try...got the letter and was sworn in October of 1995. My divorce law practice did not "fail". Two people I loved very much died within a few months of each other (1 of them I witnessed), and my parents had a tough divorce...all at the same time. After an attorney had a stroke before a hearing we had, I decided I simply could not do divorce and child custody cases anymore, I wanted to do something different, and I had too much empathy for these folks and could not just "turn it off" like others could. As for calling someone to report something...if you see a "normal" crime, typically cops will do something. Crime for politicians and white collar folks, however, you will find that the calls get directed to non-law enforcement so they can fix, cover up and send "messages" to the caller to be quiet. Later in life I tried to call about various things and the phenomenon happened almost every time. A political bigwig has already made a comment about "locking me up" last week...nice...thought we had 1st amendment rights. I will be gracious and not mention their name..for now...unless I hear another threat like that again. I have said on Twitter ISP Doug carter demoted many of the worst people at ISP and am happy about that even though there is more work to do. The pre-Doug carter ISP is another story. I have the deposition and the documents from dirty ISP Hansard. The worst thing for the bad guys is that I became friends with others, including a former ISP anti- public corruption commander who also did internal investigations...during the Carraway and Whitesell era , who also worked with FBI and US Marsahll office. I have plenty of info put together...but I am working off my schedule..not yours anon 7:05. As to "public drunkenness", besides all the hundreds of people I know at the same events, I guess on any given night years ago you could've locked the whole room up...but I wasn't "known" for that. . If you tell me your name Anon, , I can share my recollections of u and of your friends. As to "convoluted" comment: Anyone who really knew my life then would not call it "convoluted" unless they are a judgmental person who thinks they are "perfect", we did everything we could for the best interest of my son and my then fiancé's kids...at my own inconvenience. If u tell me your name I will tell you which of your associates have REAL personal marital issues. I identify with Christopher Nolan's adaptation of Bruce Wayne (as well as teddy Roosevelt's life) when the trilogy started in 2005 because Bale's portrayal of how he dealt with personal loss on a daily basis as a child and then later in life. Since I am out of politics, I can be more candid and detailed in the future on how personal loss, not power or money, was source of my motivation, anger, my sense of empathy and the sort of ethos I wanted to rebuild in the party. I am sure is wil spark some discussion.Charlie Whitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-74688951684493788182014-09-04T11:39:32.345-05:002014-09-04T11:39:32.345-05:00Must be nice to kick someone like Charlie White wh...Must be nice to kick someone like Charlie White who was an easy target when I knew him and no doubt remains so. It should be noted that Mr White only engaged in this thread when an allusion was made to mass perjury by his family members. Whether the anon poster speaks the truth or not I do not know. What I do know is that whoever anon is they hit a nerve which is why Charlie has apparently responded. To what end did it serve anon other than to give your wittle ego a boost?<br /><br />Charlie, if that is, in fact, you. Don't respond to this thread again and just let things be adjuciated. People like anon aren't worth crawling into the gutter. You do seem distraught with your responses. No reasonable person could blame you for being distraught after what the last few years has brought you. Just walk away. Loyalty in politics is a one way street that you've found out the hard way. Enjoy the rest of your days in peace. Pax tecum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-76925581787159296842014-09-04T09:49:14.352-05:002014-09-04T09:49:14.352-05:00In fairness to Charlie, he has filed a federal civ...In fairness to Charlie, he has filed a federal civil rights complaint, which maintains that he was prosecuted as a class of one in applying Indiana's voter registration laws. I know that most politicians in this state who speak candidly about Charlie's situation agree that he got treated differently than everyone else, and while they agree he was treated unfairly, most are afraid to speak up about their true feelings for fear of retribution.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-9982179822181016042014-09-04T07:05:26.891-05:002014-09-04T07:05:26.891-05:00Mr. White, if that is you, your sarcasm in lost on...Mr. White, if that is you, your sarcasm in lost on any intelligent reader. You seem to be living, or at least behaving, in an irrational state of mind.<br /><br />If you have proof of illegal activity on the part of law enforcement you have a moral and ethical responsibility to report it. If you have proof of any crime against you or any citizen you have a moral and ethical responsibility as a citizen to report it. I fear, however, that whatever information you think you have you are keeping to use against those individuals for your own personal gain either in court or in the public/media domain. To do this makes you no better than your accusers and much worse. They at least charged you with crimes in public and were forced to give you a fair hearing. Whether or not you chose a good lawyer or a bad layer is a matter of debate and will be decided by the outcome of your appeal.<br /><br />In your responses on this page you have challenged others to as to whether or not they know the law. It seems appropriate to remind other readers that the Indiana State Supreme Court took away your own license to practice law. If one does a little digging on you one finds that your convictions and convoluted personal life are the tip of the iceberg. Stories abound about your drunkenness in public, failed law practice before politics, and failure to pass the state bar for your license to practice law.<br /><br />If one digs further your recent blog and twitter account reveal further shortcomings. Accusing Gov. Pence of campaign violations while excusing yourself of any involvement because your were just 20 years old and their is no one to call or report it to anyway is a flimsy defense. And what are these cryptic messages on twitter and your blog about knowing much more about others, etc.? If you have knowledge of a crime you are bound by common decency to report it. On one final note, the Star and other papers implied that you are re-inventing yourself as some sort of citizen advocate and your twitter background is of Christian Bale, the actor in a Batman costume. Do you see yourself as some kind of vigilante for justice? You have six felony conviction with pending appeals. Perhaps you should re-think your intent with all of this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-47347459142216256192014-09-03T21:41:45.388-05:002014-09-03T21:41:45.388-05:00Anon 8:07: As to 1st point, have you ever heard of...Anon 8:07: As to 1st point, have you ever heard of "sarcasm"? ISP Hansard is a dirty cop, hand selected by the same dirty prosecutor who picked his man-child to join the trophy hunt. I have his ridiculous deposition we took last year. We have a lot more info about the pre-Carter era ISP and its not pretty (glad Doug demoted some of the dirtbags). My point all along is that the residency standards in IC 3-5-5 and the legal standards in Bayh, Evrard, Croop v. Walton, Bruns and Culbertson cases need to be used for everyone, rich, poor, republican or democrat. You don't trash all the law we have been using for years for one person and replace it with bombastic rhetoric and legally undefined words along with the roaring applause of "groupthink" media that just want to be entertained...those three prosecutors would be laughed out of the Indiana Election Commission if they tried to make the same arguments on a candidacy contest. No one is above the law, but no one should be put "below" it either.Charlie Whitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-42634248801723722822014-09-03T08:07:07.153-05:002014-09-03T08:07:07.153-05:00If that really is Charlie White writing in respons...If that really is Charlie White writing in response then he contradicts himself when he writes,"LOL! I never once heard this!" about the accusation that a job was offered if he resigned from SOS. He later writes in the same post:"Seriously, this whole dropping the charges rumor NEVER happened...a lot of people asked me about it and presumed that... But when I said there was no such offer, they were a little speechless."<br /><br />So if this really is White posting then he needs to check his own memory. Perhaps this is why he got into trouble. He can't keep his story straight.<br /><br />It's true that other officials have had suspicious residency issues. Namely, the former Governor who also appointed and had final approval of the Purdue board that later hired him. But if they all do it then why go after White? Why go after one of their own? Regardless, you can't break the law just because others break the law. Some of us learned that in preschool.<br /><br />If that really is Charlie White writing these posts is it wise to accuse an ISP trooper of being a "dirty cop"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-58010542680020701942014-09-02T21:42:10.898-05:002014-09-02T21:42:10.898-05:00To Anon. 4:38pm.
LOL! I never once heard this! So...To Anon. 4:38pm. <br />LOL! I never once heard this! So if I didn't take the oath or step aside they would drop the charges!? I think there are some folks putting a pretty good 20/20 hindsight spin on that. I would like to know the name of the person who "offered" me this! Btw, are u trying to tell me an R insider had the power to "make" the 3 prosecutors and the dirty cop they picked to back off? I didn't realize they were the prosecutors "boss"?! Does this mean it's political and the guy "living" in Carmel and voting in Marion county could make it all end :) ? Seriously, this whole dropping the charges rumor NEVER happened...a lot of people asked me about it and presumed that... But when I said there was no such offer, they were a little speechless. All I know are the people who told my bud before the grand jury was even filed for that there would be a grand jury and that I would be indicted 3 months before the grand jury even met...oh and several specific threats against me and my family...so happy I spent thousands of hours away from loved ones to help these folks attain power in the first place. <br /><br />I know the law anon. 438 pm. Do you? One past sitting Secretary of State was sued over a residency issue and ridiculed and he won...and IC 3-5-5 was based in part on his case... You ought to read Hogsett's 2007 masters thesis...lays out the law very well... Just wish prosecutors had read it instead of winging it and picking their dirty ISP buddy to lie in his police report. I am sorry to hear you seem to have my future and my families future all figured out. <br /><br />Btw, do you know who is in charge of the Indiana election commission, the agency with the real power (hint: it's NOT the SOS...read the law...not PR)Charlie Whitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-26818587082678763142014-09-02T16:38:00.714-05:002014-09-02T16:38:00.714-05:00I doubt anyone will overturn 6 convictions after a...I doubt anyone will overturn 6 convictions after a judge has already denied White's appeal once. These judges, afterall, have to work with each other long after White disappears. <br /><br />Someone else wrote that there was a solution to all this years ago. The first was that White, running for the job that oversees elections, should have known how to fill out a change of address form. The second comes from the GOP rumor mill that White was promised a job somewhere else if he stepped aside to allow the charges to be dropped. Don't know if that's true but it sounds like something that would be arranged. Sad he didn't take it. By now he probably would have been a shoe in for the next round of elections.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-11828669413309566532014-09-01T23:29:56.374-05:002014-09-01T23:29:56.374-05:00Mr. White,
You should know there are Hoosiers out...Mr. White,<br /><br />You should know there are Hoosiers out there who know you are innocent. The fact the media has treated you as a pariah and Dick Lugar, Mitch Daniels, and Evan Bayh are all guilty of far worse things than you have ever been accused of. I know this has been hard for you and your family. But people need you to stand strong and tell the real stories of the bi partisan cabal that is destroying this state. They can't silence the truth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-8029050378943314502014-09-01T20:57:29.524-05:002014-09-01T20:57:29.524-05:00Lol. Wishful thinking of whatever buddy of CB is s...Lol. Wishful thinking of whatever buddy of CB is speaking for him. And btw, you even got the original year wrong! This is what happens when someone who is completely unprepared for trail and forgets about the law and does not interview witnesses does...panics at the last minute and blames everyone else. Michelle was asked only ONE question and said "lived there, live there in THAT SENSE and that I was not over there hanging out and eating dinner to reconcile with my former wife. (most of my dinners were at political events anyway) Carl asked an awkward question that made michelle think I went back to reconcile with my former wife. They like to act like an email from CB asking if I had scotch or bourbon (which I don't) the night bf proved cb came over the night bf trial and had a mtg with Michelle. I mean, who asks if someone has scotch or bourbon the night before the trial? Bopp actually did a REAL interview before the recount commission and said she did just fine. Btw, I hope this person knows the law bc it sounds a little like anon. Does not. Btw, remember CB is the guy who claims on the stand he has done hundreds of jury trials and this is the first one he lost. Really? Oh, btw, did CB "find" his email account he seems not know where it went in his deposition? I was shocked we were handing him his own emails and assumed he would read his own...I hope he did not delete his account. Btw, since we are all talking about "living, living", was brizzi " living w/ Durham and later in Hamilton Proper in Hamilton County with his fiancé at the time while he was still Marion County Prosecutor? I have a lot more I could say anon..so why don't u come out of hiding :) CWCharlie Whitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-7349832648338094942014-09-01T18:21:58.123-05:002014-09-01T18:21:58.123-05:00The truth is that Brizzi represented Charlie's...The truth is that Brizzi represented Charlie's wife, Michelle, in the Recount Commission case. He reviewed her testimony in advance and advised her to testify to facts at the Recount Commission, which she did, as did Charlie's ex-wife. He waited until the week of the trial to talk to her again about her testimony. When she said that Charlie didn't "live there, live there" in reference to his ex-wife's home, Brizzi jumped on that as an excuse after the fact not to put her on the witness stand. He knew that she meant Charlie had not moved back in with her in hopes of reconciling. The Recount Commission accepted the plausibility of their testimony, which stood up under cross-examination by Democratic attorneys and members of the Recount Commission. If Brizzi didn't believe Michelle, he didn't believe her when he allowed her to testify at the Recount Commission. I watched him testify at the PC hearing. I observed his facial expressions and demeanor and observed a man being less than candid about why he made the trial decisions he made. Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-72067101022830082942014-09-01T15:55:10.894-05:002014-09-01T15:55:10.894-05:00The truth is Charlie White never lived at his ex-w...The truth is Charlie White never lived at his ex-wife's home after he moved out in 2008 and divorced her. He never slept in the basement. The people that know are not talking and their original story and testimony to the Grand Jury has never been challenged in open court. Why? Because Brizzi found out they lied for him and would face perjury charges and jail time. Brizzi protected the wives, the White family at large and their son. The truth is Charlie lied. They all lied to the public and to the court. Brizzi found out and tried to minimize the damage by listing the family as defense witnesses so the prosecutors waited for the defense to present a case and call them up but Brizzi never mounted a defense and thus the family was not called to testify. White has turned on Brizzi as a way of getting out of this mess. There was a way out of this many years ago but not now because they have all lied so much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-15618892118178747872014-08-31T18:43:25.474-05:002014-08-31T18:43:25.474-05:00Even though I often thought Charlie White behaved ...Even though I often thought Charlie White behaved like a horse’s ass I don’t think he violated the spirit of any Indiana law. We do have ethically challenged politicians in Indiana. And we have ineffective counsel. And terrible Judges. This matter ought to be put behind us if anyone has any sense. Charlie White made everybody smile that such a buffoon could rise to such a political office, and he really opened our eyes to the bad lawyering skills of Carl Brizzi, and his case further challenged educated men and women to believe in the skills of our judiciary. But he was no criminal, and the suggestion he intentionally broke a law in voting truly reflects badly on our State judicial system, already a laughing stock. local landlordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1573417860013369442014-08-31T18:42:12.732-05:002014-08-31T18:42:12.732-05:00You're wrong, Paul. He said that the home Luga...You're wrong, Paul. He said that the home Lugar sold the year following his election to the U.S. Senate could continue to be used as his residence in Indiana even though he had abandoned any intent of returning to that residence once he sold it. His opinion was provided by Lugar's attorneys to the Marion Co. Election Board to support his argument that he could legally register to vote and cast ballots using that address despite the fact that he stopped living there in 1979 even when he returned home while the Senate was in recess. We even uncovered an old election board opinion crafted by Gordon Durnil which said Lugar could continue using that home as his voting address despite the fact that he no longer owned it. After the election board ruled his voter registration unlawful, he re-registered using the address of the house on his farm. That's exactly what Birch and Evan Bayh did to claim a voting residence in Indiana despite not having any actual fixed residence in Indiana at which they resided when they were in Indiana. Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-90214553750070570762014-08-31T18:19:01.421-05:002014-08-31T18:19:01.421-05:00As I recall, Zoeller's official opinion on Lu...As I recall, Zoeller's official opinion on Lugar never addresses precisely Lugar's situation where he sells a residence and then continues to claim residency at that home for the purpose of voting. He instead talks in generalities about residency and in the context of a Senator not losing his residency (actually the word is "inhabitant" in the Constitution)when he moves to Washington, DC to serve the State. I don't think his opinion was at all about voting.Paul K. Ogdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16137003328850866711noreply@blogger.com