tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post8113785567743808682..comments2024-03-25T13:42:25.771-05:00Comments on Advance Indianaâ„¢: Gannett Takes On Red Line OpponentsGary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-57697422637874505162016-02-29T23:47:54.828-05:002016-02-29T23:47:54.828-05:00"this is bus service, which we need badly, de..."this is bus service, which we need badly, desperately"<br /><br />Huh? There's lots of bus service in Indy. Washington Street, 38th Street, Shelby Street, US 31, etc etc<br /><br />And to those who think extending it into HamCo is this great idea - how many times was the Fishers Express started because of "pent up demand" and stopped due to funding and/or low ridership? I agree with Gary on this - this is nothing more than a "party bus" for the Brainard fanboys to go downtown, get drunk, stop off at BR for more, then stagger home.Sir Hailstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301073859882785758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-80440695358148260972016-02-29T20:54:43.498-05:002016-02-29T20:54:43.498-05:00I think all opinions should be heard since the cit...I think all opinions should be heard since the city is a failure. We have five million plus people in Indiana and plenty of money. Indianapolis reflects who we are. And where our priorities lie. I think its a sorry state of affairs. We aren't acknowledged to be anything special. We're a flyover. Nobody wants to move here but illegal immigrants. We have a fool bigot for a Governor. One more reason for people to make fun of us. We can't even provide bus service in our largest city. And really, I don't think most people care that much. Its pretty much every man for himself. Things are corrupt. At the Statehouse. With our Sheriffs. Lawyers. Most of the construction players. Everybody kind of knows what Indiana is like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-62644586934268181592016-02-29T17:22:06.437-05:002016-02-29T17:22:06.437-05:00Anon 2:49 Could there possibly be two of you? &qu...Anon 2:49 Could there possibly be two of you? "Richard Suttom, IMHO, mocks anything and any person not in his neat little extremist far left of center socialist Democrat dream world orthodoxy, common sense or truth be damned."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-59325278752347711192016-02-29T16:37:10.597-05:002016-02-29T16:37:10.597-05:00Transit could work in Indianapolis but not if Indy...Transit could work in Indianapolis but not if IndyGo and TPTB have anything to do with it. I lived in Denver many years ago when it was a bus only town. The difference was that in Denver RTD built bridges to the business community. They got them to subsidize bus passes. They put in Park and Ride lots and extended service to the suburbs. In short, they made it more attractive to ride the bus than to drive into the core. They also recognized that pitting the city against the suburbs was a suicide mission because far more people, wealth and power resided in the suburbs than the core. A few years back they were rewarded when Denver taxpayers voted to tax themselves to build out the FasTracks rail system. That's how you do it. Of course, the Red Line isn't really about mobility. It's mostly about real estate development opportunities for the usual suspects. Nothing ever changes in Indy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-842629197189414742016-02-29T14:49:54.701-05:002016-02-29T14:49:54.701-05:00Get a grip Boggs, you're barely cogent as usua...Get a grip Boggs, you're barely cogent as usual. Every city in America runs bus service, whether gas, electric or other, and they're necessary. These students can't all ride bikes, and not in the winter, and what about the disabled and elderly? As usual you spout off your stupid statism remarks without ever really adding anything to the conversation. Rail in downtown Indy was a terrible, expensive idea, but this is bus service, which we need badly, desperately. Just get on with it. They aren't running the thing to Greenwood, which seems like a ridiculous oversight, so why Carmel? Just stop at 82nd St. somewhere near the malls so people from Indy can ride up there for work. And consider taking the red line south to county line road so indy people can ride down there for work around the greenwood mall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-78901668582092543712016-02-29T13:07:46.995-05:002016-02-29T13:07:46.995-05:00I don't know about this one --it well known an...I don't know about this one --it well known and documented that Indy has virtually no public transit system, and so I am somewhat glad to see that the bus line is moving. slowly as it may seem. A couple of thoughts - first, I am very relieved that the powers that be made the decision to move away from rail, as that would have been a disaster....if you have any doubts, check into how well Buffalo's rail system has worked out. Rapid Bus provides a much greater flexibility (the routes can be moved if demographics and traffic change) at a significantly lower cost. Build a rail system and you are screwed if the traffic changes (or never materializes) There are a few good points being made about east west needs (as opposed to north south) and perhaps they can be addressed as the system catches on....the real issue to me is whether or not the suburbanites in Carmel, Fishers, and NE Indianapoplis will ever give this system a chance and patronize it to the degree necessary. My guess is that it will be a NO unless 1) gas prices go up significantly ie more than $4 a gallon and/or 2) parking in downtown Indianapolis becomes more expensive == as the downtown core continues to fill out, this may eventually happen, but $2 parking at Circle Center mall does not provide enough incentives for people to leave their cares at home....<br /><br />Certainly, the culture will have to change in Central Indiana, but in my mind, this is a good move....whether it works out -- that is the question we will find out in the next 5-10 years. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-78471838861279846392016-02-29T11:58:38.798-05:002016-02-29T11:58:38.798-05:00Anon 8:57: Students can go full on off grid hipst...Anon 8:57: Students can go full on off grid hipster & ride bikes; rather than rely on filth factories of coal production... Right? This is nothing more than a public treasury looting scheme.Pete Boggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12948800585492289789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-36189511882513878122016-02-29T08:57:17.219-05:002016-02-29T08:57:17.219-05:00I own an apartment building on Garfield Park, and ...I own an apartment building on Garfield Park, and its the southern part of the Red Line that interests me. The end destination at the University of Indianapolis will link these students to downtown Indy. And there is a desperate need for bus transportation on the south side. A lot of people down here don't have cars. You can watch literally hundreds of people toil up and down these streets on foot to the Dinner Bell and local groceries, pharmacies and such. I watch elderly people walking in groups pushing wheel chairs down Shelby Street past Garfield Park. A bus that would stop and pick these people up and give them a ride would be a blessing. You lawyers can bicker all you want about your ego issues. But a decent new bus service down Shelby road will change lives, if they can make it affordable. These people live on ssi payments, usually around $770 a month. If you really want to make the red line accessible, make it free. Send the bill to the Capital Improvements Board, or Barnes and Thornburg and a few big firms, or Simon Lucas and Irsay. I disagree that the bus is about bringing Carmel big shots to games. This is about getting desperately poor people up to the hospital. Try doing that by bus. Really. Try going from the Dinner Bell to Eskenazi by bus, sick, in the rain, with a few dollars in your pocket.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-41647573603255191912016-02-29T08:46:35.197-05:002016-02-29T08:46:35.197-05:00It's no surprise that Granny's misinformer...It's no surprise that Granny's misinformer or Granny-Net's lame stream organ, the Scar, supports the nostalgic fascism of coal powered travel known as the Red Lie. Ain't they brilliant?Pete Boggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12948800585492289789noreply@blogger.com