tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post662702167561362008..comments2024-03-25T13:42:25.771-05:00Comments on Advance Indianaâ„¢: Oh By The Way, Angela Mansfield WonGary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-39386059627612215352007-11-11T18:10:00.000-05:002007-11-11T18:10:00.000-05:00Ain't nobody better be talkin' bad 'bout Miss Ange...Ain't nobody better be talkin' bad 'bout Miss Angela! Laws no! She be an honest lady.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-22962548900463265582007-11-09T16:40:00.000-05:002007-11-09T16:40:00.000-05:00Todd Rokita's home precinct was not even staffed w...Todd Rokita's home precinct was not even staffed with a republican precinct board......<BR/><BR/>Angry Republican 6:40 ...how can you know if there was voter fraud if no republican was there to monitor...either you participate or keep your whiny mouth shutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-88566722213464939832007-11-09T08:22:00.000-05:002007-11-09T08:22:00.000-05:00Voting by mail would be the answer. Works well in ...Voting by mail would be the answer. Works well in Washington state. Would work well here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-3165786084954805372007-11-09T08:14:00.000-05:002007-11-09T08:14:00.000-05:00Hail, please don't ever, ever hold up Todd Rokita ...Hail, please don't ever, ever hold up Todd Rokita as an example of ANYTHING that's right with elections. <BR/><BR/>National study commissions have viewed his ideas, and determined he's, well, nuts. Save your Rokita praise for the American Association of Travel Agents.<BR/><BR/>Multiple voting changes have been proposed by Democrats in the legislature since then-Rep. Marilyn Shultz tried it in 1978. The result?<BR/><BR/>Every single damned time, the Pat Millers and Sen. Harrisons of the world, stalwart defenders of All Things GOP, blocked every single attempt at election reform. More than a dozen reform bills have been pushed in the last 25 years, and the only one we get? Voter ID.<BR/><BR/>Which does nothing to address the problem of easier access to polls.<BR/><BR/>We're a much more mobile society today than we were even 20 years ago. Don't tell me there isn't a way to make voting more easy, accessible and voter-friendly.<BR/><BR/>Online voting, Voting centers. Election Day registration with online verification. Now there are some ideas to pursue, which would increase turnout.<BR/><BR/>But, large turnout has not often been a GOP priority. "Controlled" turnout--that's their mainstay. <BR/><BR/>I think this new Mayor will breathe some life into that Republican organization, because he owes them zippo. And his devotees will start to fill precinct committeeman ranks, which is good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-42250968635387504372007-11-09T07:10:00.000-05:002007-11-09T07:10:00.000-05:00Listening to a talk recently at Pike Twp GOP from ...Listening to a talk recently at Pike Twp GOP from SoS Todd Rokita, someone asked Secretary Rokita about looking into boosting election day pay for poll workers to entice more to work election day.<BR/><BR/>Secretary Rokita's answer was simply that working the polls is like jury duty. It's one's civic duty to work the polls every once in a while.<BR/><BR/>Well we know how Marion County does in jury duty, which is really a sad state of affairs. One of the few things that separate the United States system of justice from other countries. "Right to a trial by a jury of your peers".<BR/><BR/>Rokita also mentioned the chronic shortage of poll workers could eventually fix itself if the state and counties would adopt the "voting center" concept trialed in Lafayette and Richmond this year. With the "voting center" the number of polling places and workers is dramatically reduced.Sir Hailstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301073859882785758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-49269614959411171572007-11-09T06:47:00.000-05:002007-11-09T06:47:00.000-05:006:40 said:"Fortunately for you, the Dems do believ...6:40 said:<BR/><BR/>"Fortunately for you, the Dems do believe in fairness at the polls and cheating does not occur."<BR/><BR/>Can I quote you on this?<BR/><BR/>The failure of republicans to staff a precinct in no way diminishes or eliminates the right of them to file a complaint if something fraudulent happens.<BR/><BR/>Yes, they should be staffing precincts, no question. Is that true for democrats as well here in Hamilton County? I've served as an inspector here several years, and in all those times, I've had exactly ONE democrat poll clerk - no judge, no sheriff, nothing. 1 democrat poll clerk in 6 elections.<BR/><BR/>Please, save your righteous indignation for someone else.<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-39641921680905566452007-11-09T06:40:00.000-05:002007-11-09T06:40:00.000-05:00As I said in my post ANON at 10:00 and two or thr...As I said in my post ANON at 10:00 and two or three others have posted since then. The GOP cannot claim problems about the lack of checks and balances when they fail to provide the people from their party to perform that duty. No one is suggesting in the dozens of precincts where the GOP failed to provide workers that cheating occurred. we are simply saying to those that whine that there are no checks and balances that they are wrong. The law specifically provides for workers from each party for that reason. When the GOP fails to meet it obligations to provides workers for the checks and balances then whining that there "might" have been cheating is silly. YOU [the GOP} are the ones who failed. Fortunately for you, the Dems do believe in fairness at the polls and cheating does not occur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-90405281069197876072007-11-09T06:14:00.000-05:002007-11-09T06:14:00.000-05:00And yet another chapter in the voting nonsense:At ...And yet another chapter in the voting nonsense:<BR/><BR/>At my polling place, there were four precincts. As inspector for one of them, I communicated with my Democratic ward chair, and we filled the boards with Democrats. <BR/><BR/>Grand total of Democrats working at those four precincts, not including inspectors: 15. (Some worked half days).<BR/><BR/>Grand total of Republicans who worked: 2. Both asked to work by me, a Democratic inspector. I saw multiple Republicans whom I know during the day, and asked why they didn't work as they usually do. Their response?<BR/><BR/>"We weren't called." (By the Republican Party)<BR/><BR/>Filling the non-inspector roles is the specific responsiblity of each party.<BR/><BR/>Methinks someone wanted this election to fail (again), in order to have someone to blame. The lack of Republicans this time aorund is uncharacteristic, and the Republicans with whom I spoke were angry about not being asked to work where they normally do.<BR/><BR/>Next spring? The Democratic ward chair and the other three inspectors and I, will call the Republicans ourselves to fully staff the polling place.<BR/><BR/>Do you really think it's a coincidence that the Republicn Party did not fill those spots at all four precincts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-79291231473181306132007-11-09T06:09:00.000-05:002007-11-09T06:09:00.000-05:00Maybe you ought to amplify on your last comments, ...Maybe you ought to amplify on your last comments, Wilson.<BR/><BR/>It read like you were saying that election integrity was optional if the opposition doesn't keep an eye on you.<BR/><BR/>Surely, that isn't what you meant?varangianguardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12571595354792261993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-82791669523881785882007-11-08T22:13:00.000-05:002007-11-08T22:13:00.000-05:00The designated Republican Judge simply didnt show ...The designated Republican Judge simply didnt show at my precinct. Some guy showed up identifying himself as the GOP Clerk did. He was a complete novice.<BR/><BR/>Much of the integrity of the election process is based on checks and balances of the two party watchdog process. If the GOP doesnt provide watchdogs, why should they holler about chicanery if they dont even bother try to prevent it as provided by law and custom?Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-18615279917946015742007-11-08T22:00:00.000-05:002007-11-08T22:00:00.000-05:00The touch screen machine for ADA purposes are actu...The touch screen machine for ADA purposes are actually more difficult to use than the optical scan. If a person is confined to a wheel chair, a table can be provided to mark the ballot. State law also provides that a disabled voter may take a person of his/her choosing to help mark the ballot.<BR/><BR/>Gary, dont let yourself get into the FOP conspiracy mode. Amateurs who work a job one or two days a year or are totally new will continue to make errors. <BR/><BR/>As to the chain of custody, The republican judge is supposed to accompany the inspector to turn in the election totals. 9 of the 15 precincts that I was responsible for did not even have a republican judge or clerk. In addition 2 or 3 of the republican judges that were there chose not to accompany the inspector to turn in the results. The mechanism is there for chain of custody but your party must step up to the plate if they wish for it to be honored.<BR/>I do think it would be next to impossible to alter the results. It would take a very sophisticated techie to do it if it could be done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-10649718156618800222007-11-08T21:30:00.000-05:002007-11-08T21:30:00.000-05:00Wilson is right, damnit. Democrats haven't had in...Wilson is right, damnit. Democrats haven't had inspectors for many years. This is the first year in a long time, so either the earlier poster fudged and was a clerk or sheriff, or he's lying.<BR/>I prefer to think the poster mis-stated his election day title.<BR/><BR/>For Joanne Sanders to lose, that remaining Perry precinct would have to be all Republican votes, no Dem votes, and then some. Not gonna happen.<BR/><BR/>And whoever thinks Angela is a Nazi because she responded to a constituent's concern over shooting guns in a certain area--well, they'd better pay closer attention. That's not what happened.<BR/><BR/>There isn't a better constituent service member of the Council. 5:18 is right--Angela Mansfield has consistently pushed to get the council leadership to man-up, if you will, on conflicts of interest and similar lousy practices. Monroe and King Ro detest her.<BR/><BR/>Which is why this is all soooooo sweet.<BR/><BR/>Atta girl, Angela.<BR/><BR/>Her statement about not being as effective in the minority was a blunt and realistic observation. Get off her back already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-14965133998378506262007-11-08T21:10:00.000-05:002007-11-08T21:10:00.000-05:00Does anyone think the heavily republican precinct ...Does anyone think the heavily republican precinct will knock Joanne out of the box?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-55901665408380636392007-11-08T21:06:00.000-05:002007-11-08T21:06:00.000-05:00"By the way, the one still-missing precinct is in ..."By the way, the one still-missing precinct is in Perry Township which'll come back heavily Republican."<BR/><BR/>It doesn't matter to me where the precinct is located or whether it's Republican or Democrat. The question is why is it still unaccounted for two days after the election?Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-29376100527068053832007-11-08T21:04:00.000-05:002007-11-08T21:04:00.000-05:008:50 is flat out lying. There have been NO Democra...8:50 is flat out <B>lying</B>. There have been NO Democratic Inspectors in recent memory. The election Boards were completely controlled by the Republicans. No Democratic Inspectors allowed.<BR/><BR/>Why are you lying, anonymous nobody @ 8:50??? Your obvious fabricating impeaches anything you say.<BR/><BR/>By the way, the one still-missing precinct is in Perry Township which'll come back heavily Republican.Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-78424549474675646592007-11-08T20:50:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:50:00.000-05:00wilson, this is anonymous nobody 5:08 here. altho...wilson, this is anonymous nobody 5:08 here. although i couldn't be tuesday, in every prior election going back to 1992, i've been a democratic inspector. yes, there are procedures. there's also a lot of sloppiness, people -- mostly innocently -- bending or breaking rules, and things that appear to be fraud. absentee ballots in the county have always been a mess. in 98, this big tote of them came in to my precinct. yeah, right. <BR/><BR/>yeah, there are procedures. they clearly didn't follow them if this happened.<BR/><BR/>around here, any time something suspiciously swings to the democrats days after the election, i would be very concerned.<BR/><BR/>i'm waiting for them to find "missing" memoy cards in CD 4 next so that one can flip. the dems wanted it badly and thought they had it. i was assured that 1,2, & 4 were going democrat.<BR/><BR/>right, wilson?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-30634180150607226452007-11-08T20:46:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:46:00.000-05:00How in the hell could the tehcnicians do that? I c...How in the hell could the tehcnicians do that? I could understand if they had the inspectors do it, who might have had some training, but aren't experts.<BR/><BR/>But for the county's technical experts to do that...that's just unacceptable.<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-908938359252302412007-11-08T20:41:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:41:00.000-05:00The upside-down memory chip cards arrived from the...The upside-down memory chip cards arrived from the warehouse already installed by technicians with a seal in place to prevent removal and/or tampering by poll workers. <BR/><BR/>The cards were to be removed only after the closing of the polls and enclosed (with the broken seal) in a special transmittal envelope...Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-73823789661574942802007-11-08T20:36:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:36:00.000-05:00Wilson,I haven't served as an inspector on these o...Wilson,<BR/><BR/>I haven't served as an inspector on these optical scan machines.<BR/><BR/>Who inserts the cards that were improperly inserted? The inspector? The technical folks? <BR/><BR/>I guess I'm just curious as to how this happened.<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-70018363057769875882007-11-08T20:34:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:34:00.000-05:00Mansfield is still a nazi who wants gun control li...Mansfield is still a nazi who wants gun control like 1930s nazi Germany. May she never prosper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-23546685106151639242007-11-08T20:31:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:31:00.000-05:00"My" touchscreen machine wouldn't fire up until 11..."My" touchscreen machine wouldn't fire up until 11am (when a techie came out for repair) because of the incorrectly-inserted memory card. I'd called at 5:50am for help. Because of that, the scanner couldnt fire up either. Thank heavens for the paper ballots!!!Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-10228449555898696202007-11-08T20:22:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:22:00.000-05:00And to add to that, Wilson, I understand the optic...And to add to that, Wilson, I understand the optical scan machines won't fire up if the touch-screen machines can't be activated. That was how it was explained by one of the TV news reporters in those precincts where the batteries weren't charged on the touch-screen machines.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-80490055538922076402007-11-08T20:18:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:18:00.000-05:00For my money, optical scan is the way to go. The...For my money, optical scan is the way to go. The ballots can be counted quickly, but can be handcounted if need be.<BR/><BR/>Two big drawbacks, though:<BR/>(1) For people with disabilities, this system doesn't allow many of them to vote independently (which, as I recall, federal law requires);<BR/><BR/>(2) Printing each ballot is expensive.<BR/><BR/>But, overall, I'd prefer if all counties used optical scan - I think it's the best of both worlds.<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-44461449603623957192007-11-08T20:15:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:15:00.000-05:00Actually, there are FIVE devices recording votes. ...Actually, there are FIVE devices recording votes. The "touchscreen" machine has it's own memory chip card (that's the upside-down one causing so much trouble election day). A PEB memory device is used to transfer vote counts from the touchscreen to the main scanner. The scanner machine also has a memory chip card. Election night paper audit tapes are printed from the scanner at the polls. Finally, the original paper ballots are available.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I'd never use the touchscreen devices. Remember the Borst/Waltz race where the questionable Johnson County votes were done totally on touchscreen devices so no recounts could be done?Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-11430368897703595762007-11-08T20:08:00.000-05:002007-11-08T20:08:00.000-05:00AI,I completely agree. In Hamilton County, we jus...AI,<BR/><BR/>I completely agree. In Hamilton County, we just have touch screen DRE. I'm not a fan of them. I guess the only way I could use a paper ballot is to refuse to show my ID, get the provisional ballot, then go to the clerk's office.<BR/><BR/>But you are right - the paper ballot question is immaterial if you vote on DRE. I completely agree there.<BR/><BR/>ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com