tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post116388529636466052..comments2024-03-25T13:42:25.771-05:00Comments on Advance Indiana™: Carl Drummer's Fleecing Of Center TownshipGary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-16611000316104959362007-04-22T11:47:00.000-05:002007-04-22T11:47:00.000-05:00In the real world it is a rat race to see who can ...In the real world it is a rat race to see who can get what. My name is Barbara Cox and I just got back from the trusties office. I gave them all the information on income and receipts for where the income went. I was disturbed to find out that for three months one could only make 1,811 dollars for two people. So who helps those whom have made more but are just going through a hardship? 1,811 is not even enough to pay ones rent or mortgage at today's prices then the person is still supposed to pay bills, eat and have basic household needs. Yea, right! I can see why people are going postal. The government will help themselves all the time; low income some of the time but those that just need an occasional hand never.<BR/> <BR/>My daughter cries at night and ask "mom what can I take with me when we move to the shelter?"<BR/> <BR/>This is very hard to here. Because I got out of the system and did good for a while; I am not qualified for any help. My house got broken into four times last October. So when I received my tax refund I spent it on fixing the house. I am still not done. I never expected to get an infected finger and be out of work for so long. I guess I have failed by Trying to have a better life for me and my daughter. This hurts. I try so hard...but there is no help out there for people trying to do better. The system also tries to keep down anyone that does try to better themselves.<BR/><BR/>I went back to the ER Saterday the infection has gotten worse. I guess I have to die. I have no money I can not afford perscriptions. So please someone put on my grave stone here is someone they could have saved.<BR/><BR/>August 29, 2000 Section: METRO NORTH Edition: CITY Page: N01<BR/>Woman's refusal to give up pays off<BR/>Opportunity now knocks on the door of her new house, which she helped construct. CHRISTINA LOH STAFF WRITER<BR/>ZIONSVILLE, Ind. - Barbara Cox was so down on her luck at one point years ago, she remembers knocking on doors to ask for bread and water. <BR/>When people kept turning her away, she thought, 'There's got to be more love in Indianapolis than.” <BR/>There was. <BR/>This month, Barbara and her daughter, Cheyenne, 3, joined several other people who moved into their new Habitat for Humanity homes in Indianapolis. The houses are across the street from Watkins Park near the intersection of West 24th and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. streets. <BR/>Having a home of her own is a huge change for Cox, who has gone from struggling to survive to a good job and climbing the ladder as a nurse's aide at Village Christian Parke in Zionsville. <BR/>Those who know the 32 -year-old say she deserves every bit of the good fortune. "She's one of the most dependable employees we have," said James Robinson, administrator of the retirement community on Ford Road. <BR/>A social worker recommended she call Habitat for Humanity. <BR/>"I called, not knowing what I was getting into," said Cox. "When I found out there was a house in it, ecstatic." <BR/>Habitat for Humanity, an international nonprofit organization, enables low-income people who qualify own homes. Candidates and community volunteers build the houses, under Habitat's supervision. Then, the new homeowners pay off a no-interest, no-profit mortgage. <BR/>Habitat is hardly a handout. There is considerable sweat equity involved in literally putting together home with the help of volunteers. <BR/>Diana Rice-Wilkerson, director of Habitat for Humanity of Greater Indianapolis, said Cox put in countless hours to prepare the house for herself and Cheyenne. <BR/>"Barbara has demonstrated the type of commitment as a new homeowner we like to see," Rice-Wilkerson said. <BR/>Cox has had to persevere before. Several years ago, her boss at a Motel 6 fired her. She was pregnant and couldn't land another job to keep up with the bills. <BR/>"When you're pregnant and sticking out like that, they all seem to say, 'Come back when it's over.'' <BR/>Her boyfriend at the time put her up in a hotel room for two months. When the money ran out, Cox her van. <BR/>That's when she found herself begging for food. <BR/>A mother fed her after she learned the pregnant woman hadn't eaten in three days. Cox didn't know where to turn, then became familiar with several nonprofit organizations and began staying in shelters. <BR/>'There are places where you can go," Cox said, "but, at first, I didn't know where they were or how there." <BR/>Eventually, she landed a job and secured low-cost housing. But the neighborhood was so poor and ridden that she called her apartment complex a "nine-story crack house." <BR/>Once, someone stole her baby supplies, which were donated. Cox reported the theft to the apartment manager, who said the supplies weren't really Cox's to begin with. <BR/>Later, a group of people took her car. When they returned it, they had run it out of gas, dented it and danced on top of it. <BR/>Cox moved, but the new neighborhood was hardly an improvement. She remembers a visitor couldn't get past the yellow tape that was up as police officers were investigating a stabbing. <BR/>Cox and her baby both had health problems after Cheyenne's birth, but things are looking up in that area. "We're all healthy now, thank God," Cox said with a smile. <BR/>Gradually, Cox worked her way out of poverty. She found income-based housing, with rent as low $15 a month. A charity organization provided her with furniture. <BR/>With help from a number of charity organizations, Cox scraped together enough for her and her daughter to survive, plus a little extra. She enrolled in classes to study computer information systems and to become a qualified medical aide and certified nurse's aide. <BR/>A recruiter from Village Christian Parke hired her as a nurse's aide in May 1998. <BR/>Administrator Robinson said Cox took classes to become certified as a Qualified Medication Aide I; December. He said her pleasant demeanor helps make the retirement community a better place. <BR/>Cox is one class away from earning her degree in computer information systems. Her next goal is t a nursing degree. <BR/>"I'm proud of her," said Cox's friend, Michelle Hamlin. <BR/>"She's come from living on the streets and having nothing to saving and having a roof over her daughter’s head."b coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06640800488707569299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164080396510544782006-11-20T22:39:00.000-05:002006-11-20T22:39:00.000-05:00What can you expect of a high-school drop-out? Ca...What can you expect of a high-school drop-out? Carl Drummer doesn't have enough education to understand how to think "outside the box" hell, he doesn't even understand what's "in the box".<BR/><BR/>We've gotta kick these bums out of office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164056687703484392006-11-20T16:04:00.000-05:002006-11-20T16:04:00.000-05:00It costs $2.65 for every dollar of Center poor rel...It costs $2.65 for every dollar of Center poor relief to get it its intended recipients.<BR/><BR/>At that rate, Drummer and crew oughta operate the Pentagon.<BR/><BR/>The sad part is, all these buildings they're buying, are off the tax rolls, unless the tenants are for-profit entities. And evidently, that's not certain, according to the IBJ article.<BR/><BR/>So it's a double-whammy. The township is out the money to buy the buildings, and no prop. tax money comes in.<BR/><BR/>Clearly, whatever "outside the box" theory Drummer uses, this is government at its worst.<BR/><BR/>$2.65 for every dollar...truly poor people have no voice, so their outrage is muted. And for this "efficiency," he's the highest-paid trustee in Indiana, at $90K? What a complete waste of taxpayer dollars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164056433960329772006-11-20T16:00:00.000-05:002006-11-20T16:00:00.000-05:00Jocelyn, honey...don't carp on anonymous posters. ...Jocelyn, honey...don't carp on anonymous posters. You, more than anyone, should know how the Center machine retaliates against those it can persecute.<BR/><BR/>Be the bigger person. Don't respond to Wilson's attacks. <BR/><BR/>His "duly noted" comment about AI's Township Trustee Vote on Nov. 7, was one of the uglier comments I've seen from him, but it showed his true colors.<BR/><BR/>Let it go....just let it go. No one on here cares about his charges, or, for that matter, your answers.<BR/><BR/>The road less travelled is usually the high road.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164055397682759592006-11-20T15:43:00.000-05:002006-11-20T15:43:00.000-05:00Anonymous 3:34 PMAs long as my name is being menti...Anonymous 3:34 PM<BR/><BR/>As long as my name is being mentioned on these blogs by you, Wilson, or anyone else, I will respond to whom ever is throwing my name around. You seem to have your opinion, but I don't know who you are. Are you afraid of being recognized if you used your real name?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164054251618427712006-11-20T15:24:00.000-05:002006-11-20T15:24:00.000-05:00I know how we could raise a whole lot of money fas...I know how we could raise a whole lot of money fast. Let's sell tickets at the RCA Dome for a celebrity boxing match between Wilson and Jocelyn. Hopefully they would knock eachother silly enough that we wouldn't have to listen to these two idiots go at eachother on this site. <BR/><BR/>Wilson, Jocelyn - WE ARE SICK OF LISTENING TO YOU TWO!!! WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164053792570386362006-11-20T15:16:00.000-05:002006-11-20T15:16:00.000-05:00Response to Stupid Insecure Wilson Allen 11:33 AMA...Response to Stupid Insecure Wilson Allen 11:33 AM<BR/><BR/>Another distraction, change the subject, what is your point? <BR/>For your information, I haven't avoided anyone. More smear!<BR/><BR/>When are you going to comment on?<BR/>Your relationship with the Ghetto Mafia? Lets talk about ghost employment while you were employed at the Center Township Trustee's office! I am sure you know about that subject.<BR/><BR/>The IBJ article is about the Center Township Trustee Office and the handling of public funds. I don't handle public funds, but you signed many checks for the Trustees. You should talk about the role you have played in all of this now that the office has been placed in the public spotlight.<BR/><BR/>The games that are played on people who speak out. I will deal with you later.<BR/><BR/>How many earned college credits or the level of education does Julia Carson, congresswoman have? Carl Drummer, trustee, Tony Duncan, constable? Wilson Allen, former township clerk?<BR/><BR/>Provide us with the information Wilson since you are so good at dumpster diving, and providing information on everyone else.<BR/><BR/>While you are at it, can you please tell me who burglarized, vandalized my home and burnt it to the ground?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164050747507479642006-11-20T14:25:00.000-05:002006-11-20T14:25:00.000-05:00The Center Township Trustee office seems more and ...The Center Township Trustee office seems more and more like a fiefdom operating for the personal benefit of the trustee and his cronies than anything else. This is starting to look like Chicago... and this is coming from a pretty loyal D.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164040425908071062006-11-20T11:33:00.000-05:002006-11-20T11:33:00.000-05:00Jocelyn, instead of posting here and elsewhere so ...Jocelyn, instead of posting here and elsewhere so much, why don't you get a real job and start paying all those judgments rendered against you by so many courts? You are such a deadbeat that your main financial skills seem to be in avoiding creditors, landlords and constables!Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164039107778701072006-11-20T11:11:00.000-05:002006-11-20T11:11:00.000-05:00Advance indiana:Remember Wilson Allen was the Town...Advance indiana:<BR/><BR/>Remember Wilson Allen was the Township Clerk in the Center Township Trustee's office under Julia Carson and Carl Drummer before he retired 2 years ago.<BR/>he knows quite a bit of information<BR/>regarding business transactions and arrangements that were conducted and expenditures.<BR/><BR/>He needs to disclose what he knows on the subject or shut up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164039053401743332006-11-20T11:10:00.000-05:002006-11-20T11:10:00.000-05:00Advance indiana:Remember Wilson Allen was the Town...Advance indiana:<BR/><BR/>Remember Wilson Allen was the Township Clerk in the Center Township Trustee's office under Julia Carson and Carl Drummer before he retired 2 years ago.<BR/>he knows quite a bit of information<BR/>regarding business transactions and arrangements that were conducted and expenditures.<BR/><BR/>He needs to disclose what he knows on the subject or shut up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164030362661114572006-11-20T08:46:00.000-05:002006-11-20T08:46:00.000-05:00Hmmmm....all these salient observations about Cent...Hmmmm....all these salient observations about Center Township Dems, and no Wilson?<BR/><BR/>He must already have left for Grandmama's house.<BR/><BR/>He's got Mae, too, to watch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164029992783487892006-11-20T08:39:00.000-05:002006-11-20T08:39:00.000-05:00... so I gather AI voted against Carl? It was duly...<I>... so I gather AI voted against Carl? It was duly counted.</I><BR/><BR/>Uh-oh AI. Better make sure your fire insurance is paid up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1164029882044072492006-11-20T08:38:00.000-05:002006-11-20T08:38:00.000-05:00Damn fine reporting IBJ! And to you AI for bringin...Damn fine reporting IBJ! And to you AI for bringing it out to those of us who don't subscribe to IBJ - and perhaps we should!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163994954318123862006-11-19T22:55:00.000-05:002006-11-19T22:55:00.000-05:00Linda, my point is that Jon has been on the board ...Linda, my point is that Jon has been on the board 2 years. Everything complained of in the IBJ story had already happened by the time he joined the board. He is the only member of the board you see quoted in the article. That should tell us something.Gary R. Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163989776085056412006-11-19T21:29:00.000-05:002006-11-19T21:29:00.000-05:00I'm now interested in sniping between Jocelyn and ...I'm now interested in sniping between Jocelyn and Wilson. Nothing new there, and, frankly, not very interesting.<BR/><BR/>Wilson: these requests for information, and the items reported in the IBJ, reveal a callous "ownership" attitude by Center Township officials. <BR/><BR/>They do not own the offices they occupy. They occupy them at the behest of voters. Yes, Carl was re-elected two weeks ago. <BR/><BR/>In Center, a Democrat in the ballot is gauranteed of victory before he gets out of bed.<BR/><BR/>I read the IBJ article and had to put it down twice before my blood pressure got too high. Who does this trustee think he is? <BR/><BR/>Being an apologist for this kind of public malfeasance is not attractive, Wilson. Don't turn this into more of the petty sniping you and Jocelyn engage in. It's bigger than that.<BR/><BR/>I doubt prior prosecutors have been given the kind of information we all read in the IBJ. It's shameful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163988416847333272006-11-19T21:06:00.000-05:002006-11-19T21:06:00.000-05:00Advance Indiana:Response to Stupid Wilson 7:25 PMT...Advance Indiana:<BR/><BR/>Response to Stupid Wilson 7:25 PM<BR/><BR/>Timing is everything in politics. Maybe they weren't listening then, but people are listening and paying attention now!<BR/><BR/>You are just as much apart of this mess as the others. You volunteered to be used by the Ghetto Mafia, and now the truth is being published by IBJ. I would suggest that you find another horse to ride, because this horse is headed for the slaughter. <BR/><BR/>Each of their other puppets and flunkies are deceased now and you are the only one left who is stupid enough to keep attacking me for exposing the truth about the way business is conducted in the Center Township Trustee's office.<BR/><BR/>Remember, I never worked there, but my sources did. You act as if I don't have the right to make inquiries as a concerned community activist and resident of Center Township when board members and employees have complained to me and others. They feared being harassed and loss of heir jobs if it was revealed that they did not approve of the actions of the Ghetto Mafia. You have proven to everyone on these blogs how vicious you can be.<BR/><BR/>To date, Carson, neither Drummer nor you have bothered to answer questions raised about the way business has been conducted in this office. Have each of you forgotten these public offices and the money belong to the citizens of the township and are not yours to do with as you choose? They will be held accountable since their responsibilities are governed by state laws. You have changed the subject each time, and have attempted to distract the attention of the readers to petty mudslinging and insults. <BR/><BR/>However, you should know by now that I don't succumb to harassment, threats, and intimidation nor smear campaigns! So give it up and stick to the issues at hand if you are going to continue to have comments on the subject. The IBJ article is about Carl Drummer, trustee, not me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163984171669123832006-11-19T19:56:00.000-05:002006-11-19T19:56:00.000-05:00Wilson there is no excuse for not providing public...Wilson there is no excuse for not providing public documents. Nothing TOP SECRET going on here. <BR/>Right and wrong has nothing to do with your not liking Tandy.<BR/> <BR/>I say we all request the leases and if they are not provided maybe a lawsuit is warranted.<BR/><BR/>Hint hint Gary,...Maybe a request that can be copied from a blog, our names and addresses inserted and mailed...I’m game.indyerniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03817373902728915873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163982330077146842006-11-19T19:25:00.000-05:002006-11-19T19:25:00.000-05:00J.T. has been collecting documents by the thousand...J.T. has been collecting documents by the thousands for many years from Center Township desperately digging for dirt. Somehow in the all the years of Prosecutors Goldsmith/ Modisett/ Newman/ Brizzi she has never been able to produce anything substantial except in her own frenzied mind. Reporters have learned to avoid such an obsessed mud-slinger. Bloggers are her new medium for her self-publicity and her incessant calumnies...Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163976887695265862006-11-19T17:54:00.000-05:002006-11-19T17:54:00.000-05:00Advance Indiana:I told you so! Employees and seve...Advance Indiana:<BR/><BR/>I told you so! Employees and several board members have complained to me and others in the community for a number of years, but nothing was ever done about the reduction in tax dollars used for poor relief services, automobiles stored in the vacant building on Mass Avenue, and the expenditures which were not directly related to the conduct of business of the Center Township Trustee's office and which is regulated by state statute.<BR/><BR/>Yes, he did ignore my request for public records dated 9/7/06, which were hand-delivered to Drummer and 6 of the 7 board members, one member was absent due to an illness at the Township Board Meeting. <BR/><BR/> I faxed and mailed a second request to Drummer on 10/22/06...<BR/><BR/>Finally, I did contact the public access councilor on 10/24/06. I would assumed that she contacted the office, and I received a letter dated 10/30/06, received on 11/10/06 signed by Alan Mizen, CPA Chief Financial Officer stating the number of pages (300-330)and the costs of the documents I had requested. He stated that I should direct my instructions to Drummer. Each of my letters was addressed to Trustee Drummer.<BR/><BR/>I have mailed a third letter as of Friday, 11/17/06 requesting an itemized list of the documents to be copied so that I will know that it is the correct information I have requested.<BR/><BR/>It is interesting that the IBJ article was printed after the election. This and more has been going on for 10 years. This information was submitted to the former owners of the Star and nothing was ever published. .<BR/><BR/>Reasons why I was so viciously attacked for disclosing the information on this blog by Wilson and other anonymous bloggers. They knew the voters didn't know!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163973530370927452006-11-19T16:58:00.000-05:002006-11-19T16:58:00.000-05:00Any citizen who submits a Public Records request t...Any citizen who submits a Public Records request to Drummer, or any elected official, and cannot get an answer, should run, not walk to the Public Access COunselor in the State office Building.<BR/><BR/>There are criminal penalties for consistent refusal of public officials to abide by this law.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Did this request get ignore,d or just ont answered? There is a difference. As a hint: make your request in writing, and ask for it by a reasonable date certain. Copy the Public Access Counselor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163971200430296702006-11-19T16:20:00.000-05:002006-11-19T16:20:00.000-05:00I'm not optimistic that our prosecutor will do any...I'm not optimistic that our prosecutor will do anything to protect those in "urban communities" from thugs like Carl Drummer, Lacy Johnson, Tony Duncan or Monroe Gray. <BR/><BR/>I think his motto is "That's their problem, not mine"<BR/><BR/>It's a darn shame when both our mayor and prosecutor is afraid of ghetto mafia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163970926095279902006-11-19T16:15:00.000-05:002006-11-19T16:15:00.000-05:00Another blogger submitted a public records request...Another blogger submitted a public records request to Drummer asking for copies of leases, etc. He refused to provide the information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163966775233015922006-11-19T15:06:00.000-05:002006-11-19T15:06:00.000-05:00I for one am astounded that there are no restaura...I for one am astounded that there are no restaurants with white tableclothes in "inner-city" Indianapolis. That's why he wants 300 East. I'm sure that's news to chefs at Elements, R Bistro, The Oceanaire, and a whole host of other downtown eateries. What one learns in the pages of the IBJ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12703782.post-1163961288975749872006-11-19T13:34:00.000-05:002006-11-19T13:34:00.000-05:00Wilson, Drummers a crook and your association with...Wilson, Drummers a crook and your association with him and his goons (Duncan and others) shows us your true colors. <BR/>I think Brizzi needs to open an investigation of all involved. And that includes our Mayor.indyerniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03817373902728915873noreply@blogger.com